Re: [CR] Cuevas on ebay

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From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
To: "Chuck Schmidt" <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>, "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: Re: [CR] Cuevas on ebay
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:51:11 -0700
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Greg, Chuck and all. I think the red track bike with the Wastyn decal is a repainted Durkopp frameset. Lugs, badge holes, headset, crankset are Dorkopp all the way. Dorkopp didn't do any chrome lugs, and it was redone by Oscar's shoppe but it is a Durkopp for my money. Anybody else please chime in. This is a learning curve for us all, whatcha think boys?
Ted Ernst
Palos Verdes Estates
CA, USA


----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Schmidt
To: Classic Rendezvous
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [CR] Cuevas on ebay



> Greg, great stuff on Cuevas! I never saw your blog entries on the 2004
> Velo Rendezvous event... nice report and pictures!
>
> Velo Rendezvous 2004 Part 1
> <http://cinelli.typepad.com/welcome_to_dullsville/2005/04/
> velo_rendezvous.html>
>
> Velo Rendezvous 2004 Part 2
> <http://cinelli.typepad.com/welcome_to_dullsville/2005/04/
> velo_rendezvous_1.html>
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
>
>
> Greg Pitman wrote:
>
>> I have watched this thread and debated whether to chime in or not. I
>> suppose that this is the rare occasion when I might have something valid
>> to contribute. I own a 1975 Cuevas frame, and worked in the same shop
>> with Francisco for about 18 months in '74 and ' 75.
>>
>> I cannot tell for sure from the pictures whether this is a Cuevas frame.
>> On my frame, there is a diamond shaped stamp on the seat stay caps with
>> "Cuevas" inside the diamond. However, this was when he was making frames
>> in his spare time, on his own, and I am sure that he would not have done
>> that while building frames for Park Cycle. In fact, I have never seen
>> another Cuevas frame with the diamond stamp other than my own. I know
>> that Francisco built a number of frames while working out of 14th Street
>> Bicycles during the early to mid 70's. My frame is number 026. I would
>> love to know where those other early frames are now. There is a good
>> picture of the seat cluster and diamond at Dale's site here:
>>
>> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/USA/cuevas_greg_pitman.htm
>>
>> I would think that Park Cycles had it's own system for frame serial
>> numbers, but Francisco typically put his numbers beneath the bottom
>> bracket.
>>
>> Someone has already noted that he put X bracing in the steering tube,
>> easily seen from below. However the E-Bay seller states that the fork
>> has been replaced. My first question for the seller would be to ask if
>> the original fork was still available. My frame does not have the X
>> brace, although I do remember seeing him put it in other frames at that
>> time.
>>
>> In general, Francisco's frames seem to have evolved quite a bit from his
>> time at 14th Street, then Park Cycles, and finally at his own shop.
>>
>> If you would like to read other observations about my time working with
>> Senor Cuevas you can read the post at:
>>
>> http://cinelli.typepad.com/welcome_to_dullsville/2005/03/
>> a_tribute_to_fr.html#comments
>>
>> Greg Pitman
>>
>> Yucaipa (aka "the sticks"), CA
>>
>>
>> "They are saying, "The generals learned their lesson in the last war.
>> There are going to be no wholesale slaughters." I ask, how is victory
>> possible without wholesale slaughter?" -Evelyn Waugh