Re: [CR]Re: Weird wheel size dimensions

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From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
To: "Toni Theilmeier" <toni.theilmeier@t-online.de>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Weird wheel size dimensions
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:18:32 -0700
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I tried on a 700C ona 28x1.75 rim and it fit. If we check out different countries sizes and Sutherland We'll probably find lots of interchangeability by trial. It's still a hold over from 1900 when the sizes were all over the countries and no one really had a standard. The 700, 27" and 28" sew are virtually yhe same sizes and depends on country and what made sense to the local market is how it was merchandised. Old habits die uneasily and slowly it's rationalizing. Memorize the different numbers and know what is meant will go a long way to unconfuse the obviously confusing caontradictions.
Ted Er nst
Palos Verdes Estates
CA, USA


----- Original Message -----
From: Toni Theilmeier
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 10:58 AM
Subject: [CR]Re: Weird wheel size dimensions



>> In addition they use the same abbreviation for inches
>> we do ("). It's the one part of the description I can read out of the
>> Cyrillic letters. Looking at their catalog from 2000, they have 12",
>
>> 16", 20".
>> 24", 26". 27" and 28" tire sizes on their different models. I don't
>
>> know of
>> any connection this factory (that used to make most of the bicycles used
>> in
>> the former USSR) had with capitalistic countries much less English ones.
>> Somehow English sizes must have become some kind of standard over
> there
>> sometime in the history of bicycling. Perhaps my Russian speaking CR
>> list member from Germany, Toni, knows something.
>>
>
> ... Doug Fattic wrote.
>
> All I can say is that those 12" ... 28" measurements are the standard
> German, Dutch and, afaik, British way to tell wheel sizes apart. It was
> used generally before ERTO measurements came up. Also, all my
> Soviet/Russian/Ukrainian bikes have this system on the tire sidewalls.
> I guess that this still stems from pre-revolution times.
>
> Over here, people still work their way up in two inch increments when
> going through the children´s, later adult, frame sizes, as the frame
> sizes are not stated in popular usage, but the wheel sizes, and
> mountainbikes have 26" wheels in Germany. Dutch roadsters have 28 x 1
> 1/2, or used to, whereas German ones had 28 x 1.75, which are smaller in
> diameter than the British 27 x 1 1/4 which were all the rage here on ten
> speeds during the seventies. Some really lovable, old-fashioned
> system which only takes a little getting used to, I´d say.
>
> When selling a used roadster bike, you state the wheel size in the
> newspaper ad ("For sale, well-kept 28" Dutch Roadster...), when selling
> a lightweight, the frame size, as people automatically assume that it has
> 700c wheels.
>
> Bikes have to be pedalled over here, too, never mind the wheel sizes.
>
> Regards, Toni Theilmeier, Belm, Germany.