[CR]RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 45, Issue 33

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From: "RB" <2wheelseal@earthlink.net>
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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:20:04 -0700
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Subject: [CR]RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 45, Issue 33

Gipiemme pedals? These are slightly later than 1970, with alloy cages. The quill is not so severe, and might work for you. They look similar to Campy, are a bit lighter, and still quite nice. Because they are not anodized black, you can file the tips of the quills on the alloy cages if they do hit your feet.

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Widow's Peak Seat Lug (Robert Clair) 2. Re: Widow's Peak Seat Lug (Fred Rafael Rednor) 3. Re: San Diego Vintage Ride BBQ Party September 9th, Saturday (brianbaylis@juno.com) 4. Re: San Diego Vintage Ride BBQ Party September 9th, Saturday (brianbaylis@juno.com) 5. Interesting Bianchi bike on German Ebay with low Buy it now price (The Maaslands) 6. Re: Brooks saddle dating (Chuck Schmidt) 7. request for 23.4 seat post 8. Eddy Merckx's white jersey. (Nic Henderson) 9. Was Holland(London)...now "single light bulb" (Norris Lockley) 10. Re: Help I.D. old mongrel (kim klakow) 11. WTB:childs sized road bike (George ramos) 12. Galvanized Spoke Gauge-Size ? (r cielec) 13. Juventus Bergama bicycle (Bianca Pratorius) 14. WTT: 1971 Campagnolo Record Pedals (John Dunn)

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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 19:18:47 -0500 From: "Robert Clair" <r.clair@cox.net> To: <LouDeeter@aol.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Widow's Peak Seat Lug Message-ID: <001101c6d3a5$849c05c0$0202a8c0@Leo> References: <4ac.479e7a6.32333c0c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1

.... funny story ... maybe. i was unpacking an ebay find one summer several years ago in shorts and was so excited about it, i really started tearing into the bubble stuff. as i went through the mess i flipped the thing over. holey ouch !!! the frame's "widow peak" on the seat lug sent a three-inch cut through my left knee area. took three stitches in the er. .... the frame was a nos wizzard.

"step away from the file brian" !!

you can guess the rest.
roberto clarintini
alex, va
usa


----- Original Message -----
From: LouDeeter@aol.com
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [CR]Widow's Peak Seat Lug



>
> Jack Romans said:
>
> Just an observation...but almost every "custom-class" bike I see has that
> sharp point coming-up off the front of the seat/tube/cluster lug. I'm
> not
> suggesting that bikes that don't have this aren't 1st-class, but it seems
> de
> rigueur
> for 70-80's customs.
>
>
>
> I would caution anyone packing a bike with one of these points or buying
> one
> for shipment to carefully protect the point. I do this several ways, but
> primarily by tying the bike to the side of the box so that it can't
> move.
> Lots of soft packing or an old seatpost inserted will also work. What
> happens
> is that the shipper turns the box upside down and if the bike moves,
> invariably the sharp point pokes through the top of the box, bending or
> otherwise
> blunting the point. I've received two such damaged points in the past
> three
> years. It is a shame because as Jack Romans has recognized, they are
> very nice.
> Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________

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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 19:08:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Widow's Peak Seat Lug Message-ID: <20060909020807.5642.qmail@web30605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <C4D0B898-C4E6-4733-AFB3-92266CA502FE@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 2

Also, on smaller sized frames, the mounting strap for some seat bags can rub against the little peak, abrading the paint. For that reason - during a repaint - I had once had the frame builder file down one of those peaks.
         Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginai (USA)


--- Steve Leitgen wrote:


> It's interesting that when I hung out with Behringer he
> avoided
> building bikes with this option for this very reason. His
> were
> rounded instead of pointed.
>
> Steve Leitgen
> La Crosse, WI
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2006, at 4:35 PM, LouDeeter@aol.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Jack Romans said:
> >
> > Just an observation...but almost every "custom-class" bike
> I see
> > has that
> > sharp point coming-up off the front of the
> seat/tube/cluster lug.
> > I'm not
> > suggesting that bikes that don't have this aren't
> 1st-class, but
> > it seems de
> > rigueur
> > for 70-80's customs.
> >
> >
> >
> > I would caution anyone packing a bike with one of these
> points or
> > buying one
> > for shipment to carefully protect the point. I do this
> several
> > ways, but
> > primarily by tying the bike to the side of the box so
> that it
> > can't move.
> > Lots of soft packing or an old seatpost inserted will also
> work.
> > What happens
> > is that the shipper turns the box upside down and if the
> bike moves,
> > invariably the sharp point pokes through the top of the
> box,
> > bending or otherwise
> > blunting the point. I've received two such damaged points
> in the
> > past three
> > years. It is a shame because as Jack Romans has
> recognized, they
> > are very nice.
> > Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
>

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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 03:39:35 GMT From: "brianbaylis@juno.com" <brianbaylis@juno.com> To: sterling@tns.net Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]San Diego Vintage Ride BBQ Party September 9th, Saturday Message-ID: <20060908.203955.15449.670150@webmail33.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3

Sterling and gang,

I'm officially ready to test the track after a long absence. My main

objective will to be to see if I can actually pedal my 70's Cinelli

around the track with a 66 x 12 gear on. Haven't had a chance to try

this out yet, so I'm curious what it's like. May need a motorpace to

get it to speed; or maybe Charles and Carmen will be able to pace me

at speed on their track tandem; which I'm also anxious to see on the

track. Will be bringing out a few of my other track bikes to horse

around with also.

Prizes for the bike with the biggest gear, and for the smallest track

frame, right? I think I have it covered with a 47.5cm c-t 650C wheel

bike and the Cinelli with 66x12. BTW, that's a genuine pre-1970

Campagnolo track ring, and probably one of only 10 or so made when

Campaglolo cut the rings with 66, 68, and 70 teeth; according to an

old Italian mechanic I spoke to one time.

Looking forward to the gathering and some track time. I hear we have

a pretty good crowd comming. Weather will be perfect; as a matter of

fact "the weather is here, wish you were beautiful", as we say in

California.

Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA I would suggest that everyone who plans to attend should bring some

extra dark sunglasses. The reason will become apparent tomorrow.


-- "sterling@tns.net" wrote:


It just occurred to me that we are holding this event on a Saturday

and no t the normal Sunday’s, So the CHURCH Parking Lot on the corner of 20th

and E street, ½ a block South of my House, is also available for parking. Th

e next San Diego Vintage Ride and BBQ Party will be held on Saturday, September 9th. This ride is going to be a Track Bike Velodrome event (Fixed gear Track bikes Only). So get out your old Cinelli Sprint,

Masi Special and Pogliaghi Pursuit Bikes. Please bring your Wives and Girl friends. This Ride BBQ Party is a lot of fun. Start time 9:00am for

a light breakfast of Donuts, fruit and Coffee. At 10:30am we will

drive

to or ride the 1-mile or so to the Velodrome in Balboa Park. We’ll hit th

e boards for about an hour of fun and find out if Brian Baylis is still

the fastest man on the track.

About 12:00 noon we’ll head back to the house for BBQ lunch’ in Part y.

I’ll have a TV on the deck so we can watch Tour DVD’s. Party will e

nd when Joe Bell decides it’s time to go home. Please RSVP me, Sterling Peters

at sterling(@)tns.net (off list), so that I know how much Food buy. If anyone needs to call me my Cell Phone number is 619-917-3889

Special note: Best parking close to our house (938 20th street,

92102) o n Sunday morning will be found on the Broadway Street Bridge over

interstate

5 at 19th street, and it’s only a block from the house.

Reservations List: so far. Joe Bell Brian Baylis Jim and Michelle Odgen Carlos Martel Sterling Peters “ Fast Eddy” Rob Roberson John Jorgensen and son Kyle Tam Phan Matt Gorsky Charles and Carmen “TALL Paul” Fernando “de Italiano”

John Warner Bill Curtis Greg Reiche Paulie and Al Davis

“Dr. Neon Dion”

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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 03:41:27 GMT From: "brianbaylis@juno.com" <brianbaylis@juno.com> To: sterling@tns.net Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]San Diego Vintage Ride BBQ Party September 9th, Saturday Message-ID: <20060908.204202.15449.670159@webmail33.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4

Sterling and gang,

I'm officially ready to test the track after a long absence. My main

objective will to be to see if I can actually pedal my 70's Cinelli

around the track with a 66 x 12 gear on. Haven't had a chance to try

this out yet, so I'm curious what it's like. May need a motorpace to

get it to speed; or maybe Charles and Carmen will be able to pace me

at speed on their track tandem; which I'm also anxious to see on the

track. Will be bringing out a few of my other track bikes to horse

around with also.

Prizes for the bike with the biggest gear, and for the smallest track

frame, right? I think I have it covered with a 47.5cm c-t 650C wheel

bike and the Cinelli with 66x12. BTW, that's a genuine pre-1970

Campagnolo track ring, and probably one of only 10 or so made when

Campaglolo cut the rings with 66, 68, and 70 teeth; according to an

old Italian mechanic I spoke to one time.

Looking forward to the gathering and some track time. I hear we have

a pretty good crowd comming. Weather will be perfect; as a matter of

fact "the weather is here, wish you were beautiful", as we say in

California.

Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA I would suggest that everyone who plans to attend should bring some

extra dark sunglasses. The reason will become apparent tomorrow.


-- "sterling@tns.net" wrote:


It just occurred to me that we are holding this event on a Saturday

and no t the normal Sunday’s, So the CHURCH Parking Lot on the corner of 20th

and E street, ½ a block South of my House, is also available for parking. Th

e next San Diego Vintage Ride and BBQ Party will be held on Saturday, September 9th. This ride is going to be a Track Bike Velodrome event (Fixed gear Track bikes Only). So get out your old Cinelli Sprint,

Masi Special and Pogliaghi Pursuit Bikes. Please bring your Wives and Girl friends. This Ride BBQ Party is a lot of fun. Start time 9:00am for

a light breakfast of Donuts, fruit and Coffee. At 10:30am we will

drive

to or ride the 1-mile or so to the Velodrome in Balboa Park. We’ll hit th

e boards for about an hour of fun and find out if Brian Baylis is still

the fastest man on the track.

About 12:00 noon we’ll head back to the house for BBQ lunch’ in Part y.

I’ll have a TV on the deck so we can watch Tour DVD’s. Party will e

nd when Joe Bell decides it’s time to go home. Please RSVP me, Sterling Peters

at sterling(@)tns.net (off list), so that I know how much Food buy. If anyone needs to call me my Cell Phone number is 619-917-3889

Special note: Best parking close to our house (938 20th street,

92102) o n Sunday morning will be found on the Broadway Street Bridge over

interstate

5 at 19th street, and it’s only a block from the house.

Reservations List: so far. Joe Bell Brian Baylis Jim and Michelle Odgen Carlos Martel Sterling Peters “ Fast Eddy” Rob Roberson John Jorgensen and son Kyle Tam Phan Matt Gorsky Charles and Carmen “TALL Paul” Fernando “de Italiano”

John Warner Bill Curtis Greg Reiche Paulie and Al Davis

“Dr. Neon Dion”

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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 01:48:22 -0400 From: "The Maaslands" <TheMaaslands@comcast.net> To: "CR" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Interesting Bianchi bike on German Ebay with low Buy it now price Message-ID: <02b901c6d3d3$8f772c30$0400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190029479525

Neatly pantographed brake calipers and chainrings, interesting components... Anybody in Germany interested? The seller will even ship worldwide.

Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ

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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:37:29 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: Tony Colegrave <tony_colegrave@hotmail.com> Cc: CR Classic <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Brooks saddle dating Message-ID: <831AAE14-BC04-40CD-A58E-2B8A2B721DD3@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F303FE75DF403D0EA18002FE490@phx.gbl> References: <BAY101-F303FE75DF403D0EA18002FE490@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Precedence: list Message: 6

Tony, can you tell us what you know of the Brooks B.17 Competition Standard Campagnolo Model. Years made, variations, etc. I've seen one that didn't have the holes in the top or the nose trimmed (stamped 60 on the cantle plate) and another that had the three holes

and the nose trimmed like a Brooks Pro (stamped 62 on the cantle).

Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California

On Aug 13, 2006, at 7:19 AM, Tony Colegrave wrote:
>
> A few comments regarding Brooks' saddles, particularly Swallows,
> and the question of dating and commissioning of 'NOS' examples.
> The Swallow was introduced, as the Company's recent publicity has
> reminded us, in 1936 and was originally catalogued as Champion
> Swallow - no mention of B.17. In the 1939 Brooks catalogue it's
> still described as C.S., although the Brown Bros. catalogue of that
> year lists it as B.17C.S. All these original Swallows appear to
> have been constructed on B.17N. frames.
> It seems that 'slotted' bagloops started to disappear from the B.
> 17/Swallow range in 1937, and by 1939 all had been replaced with
> wire loops attached between the cantles and the ends of the rails,
> or, in the case of the Sprinter (quite understandably),dispensed
> with altogether.
> When the B.17 range, but not Swallows, were re-introduced after
> the war, in 1948, the bagloops were formed in appropriately-placed
> extension tabs from the cantles, in the manner still used these
> days, with the possible exception of the Flyer - which seems to
> have retained the wire loops for some time post-war.
> Production of Swallows appears to have resumed in 1951, when they
> were catalogued by Brooks as B.17C.S., and were offered, probably
> for the first time, with the option of chrome-plated frames and the
> 'new-style' bagloops.
> I've no idea when production of the Swallows ceased, but would
> guess that it was mid- to late sixties; I've seen dated examples,
> but none later than 1962. I've never seen an example with an oval
> stamping - all the early ones that I've come across have a 'sausage-
> shaped' stamping (perhaps the 'wurst' of Brooks' stampings, eh?),
> but I suppose that these could be described as oval-ish?
> When it comes to commissioning into use a 'NOS' Swallow which
> could be anything from 40 to 70 years old (and may not have been
> stored in an ideal environment during some of that time), one or
> two caveats might be in order? The leather would probably benefit
> from a course of treatment with 'Proofide', and even a light
> application of neatsfoot oil (normally to be kept well away from
> leather saddles) to the obvious 'stress points' along the edge,
> particularly at the junctions with the tabs which rivet together
> underneath. This treatment shouldn't be rushed, but given some time
> to 'do its work'. Careful attention should be given to the
> stitching, which is likely to be rather frail after many years,; if
> this shows signs of decay, it might be wise to replace it so that
> the stiffening wire should not be able to break loose and damage
> the leather and/or rider.
> The thought occurs - will this mean the 'beginning of the end' for
> eBay, if folks actually start using this 'NOS' stuff?
> Tony Colegrave, Northiam, East Sussex, U.K.
>
>
>> From: Toni Theilmeier <toni.theilmeier@t-online.de>
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Subject: [CR]Brooks saddle dating
>> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:14:37 +0200
>>
>> Can anyone confirm my idea that saddles dating from before WWII don´t
>>
>> have saddle bag loops, but reinforced oblong holes in the leather
>> right
>>
>> and left of the badge, and that loops only appeared after WWII?
>> Looking carefully at some catalogues makes me think this.
>>
>> Regards, Toni Theilmeier, Belm, Germany.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>
>
> _______________________________________________

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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 8:47:47 +0000 From: <broadoak56283247@ntlworld.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]request for 23.4 seat post Message-ID: <20060909084747.JREH23938.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7

Hi everybody

Can anyone help me with the above for my Peugeot Premiere beater, please? Condition not important.

Please contact me off list at broadoak56283247@ntlworld.com

Thank you

Robin Richardson on a cool Saturday morning in Gosport Hampshire England

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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:52:05 +0100 From: "Nic Henderson" <nic.henderson@ntlworld.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Eddy Merckx's white jersey. Message-ID: <006401c6d3f5$9d34a880$0300a8c0@nicd60e2c6b784> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8

Dear Knowledgeable ones, I have just posted a few photos on my website of when I was at the Tour de France when it first came to Britain way back in 1974, the main reason I was there was to see my hero Eddy Merckx in action. Does anyone know why is Eddy wearing a white jersey when his team mates are in the familiar orange an blue 'Molteni' jersey's ? I admit I don't know much about the Tour, I don't think it is a 'World Championship' jersey and I looked up 'white jersey' on Google and it's for the best 'youth' rider (aged 25 or under) in the Tour (Eddy was 29) Can anyone put me and my brother's mind to rest?

http://www.bikebrothers.co.uk/tdf1974.htm

Nic Henderson Newport UK

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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 00:06:45 +0100 From: "Norris Lockley" <norris@norrislockley.wanadoo.co.uk> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Was Holland(London)...now "single light bulb" Message-ID: <000401c6d406$0a3a4100$09bcf059@049306920171> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9

thanks to the off-list contributor "MB" for sending his memories of Holland of south London to us.

One of the apsects of the piece that really caught my interest was his description of Hollands shop in the Old Kent Road, lit up with a single light bulb.

Many years ago, when I was starting out in the retail cycle trade I thought that I should venture forth in as professional manner as possible..and so I decided to become a member of the trade body looking after the interests of such dealers as myself, by supplying cheaper insurance, supplies of sales tickets, ledgers, headed notepaper..a crest with a coat-of-arms to stick on the glass panel in the shop's entrance door and two more for the corners of the main display window.. I needed to belong..and I has never had had the right to use a coat-of-arms before that time.

So I telephoned the secretary of the Federation of Cycle Retailers ( I think that was the name..), in Orpington, Kent (..even that sounded professional) and explained in the best and, I hoped, the most professional way that I could that I wanted to become a member of the Federation. One concern that I harboured was that the Federation might not welcome youngsters such as myself, preferring a more mature type of member. I was also worried that "Mr Federation" who spoke such exquisite english, with such a plummy accent might not take to my rougher Yorkshire tones and dialect Just when I felt that things were going really well, this southern, this Orpington gentlemen addressed me with the very down -to earth- question.."Why would a young man like you want to join the sixty-watt-bulb-trade?"

Rather taken aback by this fundamental question, whose meaning I really had not grasped - perhaps I had phoned the wrong number and got the Federation of Hardware Dealers - I stuttered down the phone line, "I don't really understand. What do you mean by the-sixty-watt-bulb-trade?"

Quick as a flash he rejoined " I mean the retail cycle trade! Haven't you noticed...either the shop is barely illuminated by a single sixty watt light bulb...or the proprietor is as dim as a sixty watt bulb!

So much professionalism..but I still lusted after that self-adhesive coat-of-arms for the shop front door..dim bulbs or no dim bulbs.

Norris Lockley Settle UK

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Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 14:32:44 +0200 From: "kim klakow" <Akimbo71@gmx.net> To: "Otis" <otis@otisrecords.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Help I.D. old mongrel Message-ID: <20060909123244.260070@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <DMEJIHDFKPCMMPJEINFDGEHMEIAA.otis@otisrecords.com> References: <DMEJIHDFKPCMMPJEINFDGEHMEIAA.otis@otisrecords.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 10
> Crankset is stamped made in France, and looks to have a "FS" in the ring.

Chainring looks like a Solida, but FS could stand for Fichtel & Sachs, which would make this something german. They used french a lot. Just a guess, though. kim

-- Kim Klakow

Diplom Grafik Designer Akimbo71@gmx.net +49172-1786481 Berlin - Germany

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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 06:31:54 -0700 (PDT) From: George ramos <georgeandrachael@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]WTB:childs sized road bike Message-ID: <20060909133154.12881.qmail@web38415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 11

hello all, I am looking for a childs sized lugged road bike for my son. I am currently in Rockland CTY, NY visiting my family and will be driving to western NY to visit in-laws soon.If there are any NY/NJ/PA members that might have one for sale I would be happy to pay a visit. Thanks

George Ramos Portland, OR USA

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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 06:39:21 -0700 (PDT) From: r cielec <teaat4p@yahoo.com> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Galvanized Spoke Gauge-Size ? Message-ID: <20060909133921.15154.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 12

Ahoy !

Yes, I mean gauge size 14, 15, 16 etc. and not gauge as in measuring tool

I used a notch style spoke measuring tool (Park) on the galvanized spokes on the 1973 Raleigh Super Course Mk II. The spokes appear to be the OEM. I assumed these old galvanized are straight 14 gauge. Yet, when I measured, the 1.7 notch fit the mid-section of the spoke while the 1.8 notch fit the nipple end and the head end. No, I cannot feel the tell-tale double-butted bulge. Do old spokes stretch or swell? What gauge are these?

Thanks. Richard Cielec Chicago, Illinois

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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:48:47 -0400 From: Bianca Pratorius <biankita@comcast.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Juventus Bergama bicycle Message-ID: <b51bc578595ea7f58f01478eef24a289@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13

As far as I know, Juventus is the Italian soccer club. What then would an on topic bicycle headbadged "Juventus Bergama" be?

Garth Libre in Miami Fl.

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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:16:47 -0600 From: John Dunn <jhndnn@gmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]WTT: 1971 Campagnolo Record Pedals Message-ID: <0996D1E1-3A93-4F88-ABE8-D5DFA06B4442@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14

I have a set of 71 ( pretty sure, everything else was ) Campy record pedals that came on a recent craigslist purchase. Only problem is that they're too small for my 12E feet - the raised lip on the edge of the cage presses against the side of my foot something fierce. Nothing like having your feet fall asleep on the climb home!

I'd like to trade them for something of similar quality/vintage/ condition/value. Off list if you're interested.

Thanks-

John Dunn Denver, CO ------------------------------

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