The best solution to the narrow quill problem, IMBO, is to use track pedals. If Campy steel road pedals are correct for a given bike, Campy steel track should be equally correct. Maybe not original as sold, but I think there were always guys who used track pedals on the road, for exactly that reason.
Regards,
Jerry Moos Big Spring, TX
RB <2wheelseal@earthlink.net> wrote: Gipiemme pedals? These are slightly later than 1970, with alloy cages. The quill is not so severe, and might work for you. They look similar to Campy, are a bit lighter, and still quite nice. Because they are not anodized black, you can file the tips of the quills on the alloy cages if they do hit your feet.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Widow's Peak Seat Lug (Robert Clair) 2. Re: Widow's Peak Seat Lug (Fred Rafael Rednor) 3. Re: San Diego Vintage Ride BBQ Party September 9th, Saturday (brianbaylis@juno.com) 4. Re: San Diego Vintage Ride BBQ Party September 9th, Saturday (brianbaylis@juno.com) 5. Interesting Bianchi bike on German Ebay with low Buy it now price (The Maaslands) 6. Re: Brooks saddle dating (Chuck Schmidt) 7. request for 23.4 seat post 8. Eddy Merckx's white jersey. (Nic Henderson) 9. Was Holland(London)...now "single light bulb" (Norris Lockley) 10. Re: Help I.D. old mongrel (kim klakow) 11. WTB:childs sized road bike (George ramos) 12. Galvanized Spoke Gauge-Size ? (r cielec) 13. Juventus Bergama bicycle (Bianca Pratorius) 14. WTT: 1971 Campagnolo Record Pedals (John Dunn)
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 19:18:47 -0500 From: "Robert Clair" To: , Subject: Re: [CR]Widow's Peak Seat Lug Message-ID: <001101c6d3a5$849c05c0$0202a8c0@Leo> References: <4ac.479e7a6.32333c0c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1
.... funny story ... maybe. i was unpacking an ebay find one summer several years ago in shorts and was so excited about it, i really started tearing into the bubble stuff. as i went through the mess i flipped the thing over. holey ouch !!! the frame's "widow peak" on the seat lug sent a three-inch cut through my left knee area. took three stitches in the er. .... the frame was a nos wizzard.
"step away from the file brian" !!
you can guess the rest.
roberto clarintini
alex, va
usa
>
> Jack Romans said:
>
> Just an observation...but almost every "custom-class" bike I see has that
> sharp point coming-up off the front of the seat/tube/cluster lug. I'm
> not
> suggesting that bikes that don't have this aren't 1st-class, but it seems
> de
> rigueur
> for 70-80's customs.
>
>
>
> I would caution anyone packing a bike with one of these points or buying
> one
> for shipment to carefully protect the point. I do this several ways, but
> primarily by tying the bike to the side of the box so that it can't
> move.
> Lots of soft packing or an old seatpost inserted will also work. What
> happens
> is that the shipper turns the box upside down and if the bike moves,
> invariably the sharp point pokes through the top of the box, bending or
> otherwise
> blunting the point. I've received two such damaged points in the past
> three
> years. It is a shame because as Jack Romans has recognized, they are
> very nice.
> Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 19:08:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Rafael Rednor To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Widow's Peak Seat Lug Message-ID: <20060909020807.5642.qmail@web30605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 2
Also, on smaller sized frames, the mounting strap for some seat bags can rub against the little peak, abrading the paint. For that reason - during a repaint - I had once had the frame builder file down one of those peaks. Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginai (USA)
> It's interesting that when I hung out with Behringer he
> avoided
> building bikes with this option for this very reason. His
> were
> rounded instead of pointed.
>
> Steve Leitgen
> La Crosse, WI
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2006, at 4:35 PM, LouDeeter@aol.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Jack Romans said:
> >
> > Just an observation...but almost every "custom-class" bike
> I see
> > has that
> > sharp point coming-up off the front of the
> seat/tube/cluster lug.
> > I'm not
> > suggesting that bikes that don't have this aren't
> 1st-class, but
> > it seems de
> > rigueur
> > for 70-80's customs.
> >
> >
> >
> > I would caution anyone packing a bike with one of these
> points or
> > buying one
> > for shipment to carefully protect the point. I do this
> several
> > ways, but
> > primarily by tying the bike to the side of the box so
> that it
> > can't move.
> > Lots of soft packing or an old seatpost inserted will also
> work.
> > What happens
> > is that the shipper turns the box upside down and if the
> bike moves,
> > invariably the sharp point pokes through the top of the
> box,
> > bending or otherwise
> > blunting the point. I've received two such damaged points
> in the
> > past three
> > years. It is a shame because as Jack Romans has
> recognized, they
> > are very nice.
> > Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
>
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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 03:39:35 GMT From: "brianbaylis@juno.com"
To: sterling@tns.net Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]San Diego Vintage Ride BBQ Party September 9th, Saturday Message-ID: <20060908.203955.15449.670150@webmail33.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3
Sterling and gang,
I'm officially ready to test the track after a long absence. My main
objective will to be to see if I can actually pedal my 70's Cinelli
around the track with a 66 x 12 gear on. Haven't had a chance to try
this out yet, so I'm curious what it's like. May need a motorpace to
get it to speed; or maybe Charles and Carmen will be able to pace me
at speed on their track tandem; which I'm also anxious to see on the
track. Will be bringing out a few of my other track bikes to horse
around with also.
Prizes for the bike with the biggest gear, and for the smallest track
frame, right? I think I have it covered with a 47.5cm c-t 650C wheel
bike and the Cinelli with 66x12. BTW, that's a genuine pre-1970
Campagnolo track ring, and probably one of only 10 or so made when
Campaglolo cut the rings with 66, 68, and 70 teeth; according to an
old Italian mechanic I spoke to one time.
Looking forward to the gathering and some track time. I hear we have
a pretty good crowd comming. Weather will be perfect; as a matter of
fact "the weather is here, wish you were beautiful", as we say in
California.
Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA I would suggest that everyone who plans to attend should bring some
extra dark sunglasses. The reason will become apparent tomorrow.
It just occurred to me that we are holding this event on a Saturday
and no t the normal Sundays, So the CHURCH Parking Lot on the corner of 20th
and E street, ½ a block South of my House, is also available for parking. Th
e next San Diego Vintage Ride and BBQ Party will be held on Saturday, September 9th. This ride is going to be a Track Bike Velodrome event (Fixed gear Track bikes Only). So get out your old Cinelli Sprint,
Masi Special and Pogliaghi Pursuit Bikes. Please bring your Wives and Girl friends. This Ride BBQ Party is a lot of fun. Start time 9:00am for
a light breakfast of Donuts, fruit and Coffee. At 10:30am we will
drive
to or ride the 1-mile or so to the Velodrome in Balboa Park. Well hit th
e boards for about an hour of fun and find out if Brian Baylis is still
the fastest man on the track.
About 12:00 noon well head back to the house for BBQ lunch in Part y.
Ill have a TV on the deck so we can watch Tour DVDs. Party will e
nd when Joe Bell decides its time to go home. Please RSVP me, Sterling Peters
at sterling(@)tns.net (off list), so that I know how much Food buy. If anyone needs to call me my Cell Phone number is 619-917-3889
Special note: Best parking close to our house (938 20th street,
92102) o n Sunday morning will be found on the Broadway Street Bridge over
interstate
5 at 19th street, and its only a block from the house.
Reservations List: so far. Joe Bell Brian Baylis Jim and Michelle Odgen Carlos Martel Sterling Peters Fast Eddy Rob Roberson John Jorgensen and son Kyle Tam Phan Matt Gorsky Charles and Carmen TALL Paul Fernando de Italiano
John Warner Bill Curtis Greg Reiche Paulie and Al Davis
Dr. Neon Dion
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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 03:41:27 GMT From: "brianbaylis@juno.com"
To: sterling@tns.net Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]San Diego Vintage Ride BBQ Party September 9th, Saturday Message-ID: <20060908.204202.15449.670159@webmail33.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4
Sterling and gang,
I'm officially ready to test the track after a long absence. My main
objective will to be to see if I can actually pedal my 70's Cinelli
around the track with a 66 x 12 gear on. Haven't had a chance to try
this out yet, so I'm curious what it's like. May need a motorpace to
get it to speed; or maybe Charles and Carmen will be able to pace me
at speed on their track tandem; which I'm also anxious to see on the
track. Will be bringing out a few of my other track bikes to horse
around with also.
Prizes for the bike with the biggest gear, and for the smallest track
frame, right? I think I have it covered with a 47.5cm c-t 650C wheel
bike and the Cinelli with 66x12. BTW, that's a genuine pre-1970
Campagnolo track ring, and probably one of only 10 or so made when
Campaglolo cut the rings with 66, 68, and 70 teeth; according to an
old Italian mechanic I spoke to one time.
Looking forward to the gathering and some track time. I hear we have
a pretty good crowd comming. Weather will be perfect; as a matter of
fact "the weather is here, wish you were beautiful", as we say in
California.
Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA I would suggest that everyone who plans to attend should bring some
extra dark sunglasses. The reason will become apparent tomorrow.
It just occurred to me that we are holding this event on a Saturday
and no t the normal Sundays, So the CHURCH Parking Lot on the corner of 20th
and E street, ½ a block South of my House, is also available for parking. Th
e next San Diego Vintage Ride and BBQ Party will be held on Saturday, September 9th. This ride is going to be a Track Bike Velodrome event (Fixed gear Track bikes Only). So get out your old Cinelli Sprint,
Masi Special and Pogliaghi Pursuit Bikes. Please bring your Wives and Girl friends. This Ride BBQ Party is a lot of fun. Start time 9:00am for
a light breakfast of Donuts, fruit and Coffee. At 10:30am we will
drive
to or ride the 1-mile or so to the Velodrome in Balboa Park. Well hit th
e boards for about an hour of fun and find out if Brian Baylis is still
the fastest man on the track.
About 12:00 noon well head back to the house for BBQ lunch in Part y.
Ill have a TV on the deck so we can watch Tour DVDs. Party will e
nd when Joe Bell decides its time to go home. Please RSVP me, Sterling Peters
at sterling(@)tns.net (off list), so that I know how much Food buy. If anyone needs to call me my Cell Phone number is 619-917-3889
Special note: Best parking close to our house (938 20th street,
92102) o n Sunday morning will be found on the Broadway Street Bridge over
interstate
5 at 19th street, and its only a block from the house.
Reservations List: so far. Joe Bell Brian Baylis Jim and Michelle Odgen Carlos Martel Sterling Peters Fast Eddy Rob Roberson John Jorgensen and son Kyle Tam Phan Matt Gorsky Charles and Carmen TALL Paul Fernando de Italiano
John Warner Bill Curtis Greg Reiche Paulie and Al Davis
Dr. Neon Dion
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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 01:48:22 -0400 From: "The Maaslands" To: "CR" Subject: [CR]Interesting Bianchi bike on German Ebay with low Buy it now price Message-ID: <02b901c6d3d3$8f772c30$0400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5
http://cgi.ebay.de/
Neatly pantographed brake calipers and chainrings, interesting components... Anybody in Germany interested? The seller will even ship worldwide.
Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:37:29 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt To: Tony Colegrave Cc: CR Classic Subject: Re: [CR]Brooks saddle dating Message-ID: <831AAE14-BC04-40CD-A58E-2B8A2B721DD3@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Precedence: list Message: 6
Tony, can you tell us what you know of the Brooks B.17 Competition Standard Campagnolo Model. Years made, variations, etc. I've seen one that didn't have the holes in the top or the nose trimmed (stamped 60 on the cantle plate) and another that had the three holes
and the nose trimmed like a Brooks Pro (stamped 62 on the cantle).
Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California
On Aug 13, 2006, at 7:19 AM, Tony Colegrave wrote:
>
> A few comments regarding Brooks' saddles, particularly Swallows,
> and the question of dating and commissioning of 'NOS' examples.
> The Swallow was introduced, as the Company's recent publicity has
> reminded us, in 1936 and was originally catalogued as Champion
> Swallow - no mention of B.17. In the 1939 Brooks catalogue it's
> still described as C.S., although the Brown Bros. catalogue of that
> year lists it as B.17C.S. All these original Swallows appear to
> have been constructed on B.17N. frames.
> It seems that 'slotted' bagloops started to disappear from the B.
> 17/Swallow range in 1937, and by 1939 all had been replaced with
> wire loops attached between the cantles and the ends of the rails,
> or, in the case of the Sprinter (quite understandably),dispensed
> with altogether.
> When the B.17 range, but not Swallows, were re-introduced after
> the war, in 1948, the bagloops were formed in appropriately-placed
> extension tabs from the cantles, in the manner still used these
> days, with the possible exception of the Flyer - which seems to
> have retained the wire loops for some time post-war.
> Production of Swallows appears to have resumed in 1951, when they
> were catalogued by Brooks as B.17C.S., and were offered, probably
> for the first time, with the option of chrome-plated frames and the
> 'new-style' bagloops.
> I've no idea when production of the Swallows ceased, but would
> guess that it was mid- to late sixties; I've seen dated examples,
> but none later than 1962. I've never seen an example with an oval
> stamping - all the early ones that I've come across have a 'sausage-
> shaped' stamping (perhaps the 'wurst' of Brooks' stampings, eh?),
> but I suppose that these could be described as oval-ish?
> When it comes to commissioning into use a 'NOS' Swallow which
> could be anything from 40 to 70 years old (and may not have been
> stored in an ideal environment during some of that time), one or
> two caveats might be in order? The leather would probably benefit
> from a course of treatment with 'Proofide', and even a light
> application of neatsfoot oil (normally to be kept well away from
> leather saddles) to the obvious 'stress points' along the edge,
> particularly at the junctions with the tabs which rivet together
> underneath. This treatment shouldn't be rushed, but given some time
> to 'do its work'. Careful attention should be given to the
> stitching, which is likely to be rather frail after many years,; if
> this shows signs of decay, it might be wise to replace it so that
> the stiffening wire should not be able to break loose and damage
> the leather and/or rider.
> The thought occurs - will this mean the 'beginning of the end' for
> eBay, if folks actually start using this 'NOS' stuff?
> Tony Colegrave, Northiam, East Sussex, U.K.
>
>
>> From: Toni Theilmeier
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Subject: [CR]Brooks saddle dating
>> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:14:37 +0200
>>
>> Can anyone confirm my idea that saddles dating from before WWII don´t
>>
>> have saddle bag loops, but reinforced oblong holes in the leather
>> right
>>
>> and left of the badge, and that loops only appeared after WWII?
>> Looking carefully at some catalogues makes me think this.
>>
>> Regards, Toni Theilmeier, Belm, Germany.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>
>
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