On 9/11/06 3:24 PM, "Phil Sieg" <triodelover@comcast.net> wrote:
> self@fuse.net wrote:
>> This is my own listing - I'm selling it for a friend. When I discussed the
>> frameset with her, she said she bought it new in about 1983. I listed it as
>> an
>> 83(?). The only obvious number stamped on the frame is an M2 stamped on the
>> right rear dropout.
>>
>> Someone (a CR member ?) emailed & said they thought it was earlier (74-77).
>> Their comments about the cable guide treatment made sense so I listed their
>> email in the auction & changed the dates.
>>
>> My Italian frame knowlege is close to zero (yes next time I'll do more
>> homework). I'd appreciate it if someone could date this frame for me. Sorry
>> if
>> the webpage address is not in the correct format; this is the first time I've
>> posted one of my own auctions on the list.
>>
>> Auction #230027771525
>>
>> http://ebay.com/
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike Self
>> Cincinnati, OH
>>
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> Mike,
>
> I don't think it's earlier than '76. IIRC, that's when the two top tube
> braze-on cable guides were added. I have a '79 (based on the frame
> details and a Pat 79 RD, W4 stamped in the right rear drop-out) that has
> both the top tube guides and a fork crown that matches yours (also dates
> from around '75 or '76). However, the seat stay caps aren't engraved on
> mine and are more "spearpoint" in contour. In addition, I don't think
> the ST and DT transfers are correct for that frame date - possibly added
> after a respray at some point?
>
> Phil Sieg
> Knoxville, Tennessee
> USA
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Mike, I concur with Phil. I have a known '73 and what I believe is a '79. I
think your frame was on the bubble between the ones we see with the stamped
"colnago" chainstay and seatstay with colnago dropouts, and the unstamped
versions with campy dropouts. I've never seen those decals. Which means I'm
putting my best guesstimate at 1980. Good Luck!
Craig Ryan
Noblesville, IN
USA