Re: [CR]Curved stays etc.- On topic

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Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:23:46 -0800 (PST)
From: "Peter Naiman" <hetchinspete1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Curved stays etc.- On topic
To: Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <BFF9C6A8.56023%hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>


Hilary; I've heard this suggestion for unusual frames designs many times over the years, from many folks on both sides of the pond, & wondering if there was any truth in it. If the ruling wasn't enacted until 1938, the theory makes no sense except for the frames produced after this ruling. Thank you for the clarification.

Peter Naiman Glendale, WI

Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: I don't think the evidence stands up for this suggestion I am afraid. The RTTC ruling was only enacted in 1938; almost all the non standard frame designs - Hetchins, Bates, Baines were well in production by then. The main exceptions are Thanet (which were not primarily designed for competition), Paris (who's main interest was mass start racing) the rule does not really apply to. And in any case the rule seems to have generally fallen into disuse post WWII.

Hilary Stone, Bristol, UK


> From:
> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:22:57 +0000
> To:
> Subject: [CR]Curved stays etc.- On topic
>
> I think it is true to say that many non-standard bikes were developed as a
> marketing tool as a response to the peculiar situation in England. The Road
> Time Trials Council was very strict about shamateurism and riders could be-
> and were- suspended if the name of their frame was legible in a published
> photograph. The RTTC didn't have to prove that any money had changed hands or
> even that the rider was given the frame. This explains why so many British
> frames had longhand script-eg Claud Butler.
> Of course you could get round this rule with instantly recognisable designs
> such as Hetchins and Bates and Flying Gate. You will never get a fan of these
> marques to admit this but who really believe Bates forks give a better ride?
> I recall that Charly McCoy a British TT champion and Olympic team pursuiter
> got a years ban in 1961 because you could read "Eddie Soens" in a photo
> published in Cycling Weekly. It was a bit provocative as Eddie, always a
> rebel, had put the name in big block capitals right along the down tube. They
> repealed the rule shortly after.
> It is amazing that the same year that Tom Simpson won the Tour of Flanders
> English domestic cycling was still in the dark ages.
> Ray Green Brighton, Blighty.
>
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