RE: [CR]Ebay: Campy Windsor?

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Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:52:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <>
Subject: RE: [CR]Ebay: Campy Windsor?
To: David Bilenkey <>, 'Don Wilson' <>, 'Classic Rendezvous' <>
In-Reply-To: <BAYC1-PASMTP1246AFC47471BE4EA4DD7BCE140@CEZ.ICE>

I agree. This does appear to be a Windsor, although the poor photos don't allow one to be certain. The only thing Campagnolo about this bike is the downtube decal, probably the dropouts, and maybe the headset, although the photos don't allow the last two to be confirmed. The frame looks a bit taller than 57cm to me, and in any case won't fit a 5' 7" person as claimed.

In many years on CR, I've never heard any significant evidence that Campagnolo ever made framesets.

I doubt this is fraud, or if so it is a very clumsy and transparent fraud. I think the seller just doesn't know anything about bikes or how to sell them on eBay.


Jerry Moos Big Spring, TX

David Bilenkey <> wrote: Possibly not fraud, mostly misrepresented, either by intent or lack of knowledge. Photos are too few, too small and description is lacking. I won't go into all the details I _can_ see, but there are enough to tell me that at this price it's not even remotely interesting. At $50 I'd ask more questions, get more photos, and maybe it would be an interesting project. At $250 it's a joke.

Maybe I'm just having a bad morning...

David -- David Bilenkey Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [] On Behalf Of
> Don Wilson
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:54 AM
> To: Classic Rendezvous
> Subject: [CR]Ebay: Campy Windsor?
> So school me on this. The seller calls it a Campagnolo
> Windsor. I've heard of Windsors. I checked the
> archives and learned there's some confusion about
> whether Campagnolo made bicycles, or just lent support
> to some makers who may have reciprocated by calling
> their bikes Campagnolo models. The pics with the bike
> on Ebay don't show a head badge. Some components seem
> inappropriate. What gives? Fraud or authentic?
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> Don Wilson
> Los Olivos, CA
> D.C. Wilson