Re: [CR]picture death stem

Example: Framebuilders:Dario Pegoretti

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:05:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <>
Subject: Re: [CR]picture death stem
To: Doug Van Cleve <>, Howard Darr <>
In-Reply-To: <>
cc: "Classicrendezvous@Bikelist.Org" <>

The AVA bars which have a bad reputation are almost completely unengraved, with sometime a tiny AVA in a diamond in the center, where it is often covered my the stem clamp. I have later extensively engraved AVA's that are completely different. Even the reputation of the "death bars" is probably exagerrated. They do break, although probably not a huge percentage, and usually not catastrophically. I removed a pair which showed a long hairline crack, before they failed. Of course one catastrophic failure in a million is too many if you are that one. I still ride these AVA's where they are original, although I take care to inspect them regularly. And I will confess, when using nonoriginal French bars, I'll usually choose Pivo, Phillipe, Atax or Belleri over AVA.


Jerry Moos Big Spring, TX

Doug Van Cleve <> wrote: Howdy folks.

I have an Ava bar and stem off of a lowish mileage (I'm guessing) PX-10. I don't know if some Ava were okay and other bad news or if they were all bad news. I am under the impression that the one I have really shouldn't be used. If nobody else can come up with a picture I can post one later...

Doug Van Cleve Chandler, AZ

On 1/12/06, Howard Darr wrote:
> Greetings,
> Could I prevail upon the group for a picture of a death stem?
> I checked the archives for
> I found a thread referencing an ebay auction that was no longer
> accessible.