RE: [CR]Is this a TOEI ?

(Example: Framebuilders:Pino Morroni)

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:37:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Chris Kulczycki" <chris@velo-orange.com>
Subject: RE: [CR]Is this a TOEI ?
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <MONKEYFOOD8yfogkJXr00001560@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org>
cc: Baron von Drais <draisienne@hotmail.com>

I think it is a Toei from what I can read. No, I don't read Japanese, but I use the Mozilla Firefox browser withe the Foxlingo extension (both free). These allow one to translate pages using several translation engines almost instantly. Classic bikes are great, but classic browsers are terrible.

I have some bookmarks related to Toei and small wheeled bikes, but I'm not sure if they are on-topic?

Also, we've received another shipment of those EDCO headsets if anyone else wants one.

Chris http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/

Hi all,

I've been trying to find one of these vintage Japanese bikes for a while. Heck, I've just been trying to find any information on these small wheeled traditional diamond frame bikes and can't turn up anything english (or even engrish for that matter!). I fouind this on the web - see second and third picture of the silver bike. Is is a Toei ? That's the only english word in the title....

http://www12.ocn.ne.jp/%7Ehishikaw/page005.html

Any help would be very much appreciated!

Cheers, Peter Schwar Montreal, Canada

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:48:35 -0700 From: "cmontgomery" To: "Peter Jourdain" , "Emanuel Lowi" ,

Subject: Re: [CR]Carlton Jewel -- anybody have one? 1947 JEWEL PHOTOS POSTED! Message-ID: <005b01c6f339$d63f0ea0$3089e744@D687QV01> References: <20061019025819.98190.qmail@web32905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4

That "rare 2 speed freewheel" looks to be a TF with the very rare freewheel made specifically for it. Can't make out what shifter that is. Can anyone id it?

Craig Montgomery Tucson


> Greetings, Emanuel and CR Mates---
>
> Emanuel, you were looking for Carlton Jewel
> pictures...
> Well, after hours of scouring all of my old, dusty
> hard drives, I've finally found (and have now posted)
> the auction photos of that Carlton Jewel I had seen a
> couple of years ago on ebay.
> I remember those auctions by Paul Cameron (for there
> were about a half dozen bikes auctioned simultaneously
> by him) caused quite a stir on CR, in that most if not
> all of the bikes were lovely, and a couple of
> them----this Jewel and a Viking SBU tracker----were
> excpetional. I hope to find the Viking photos soon and
> post those, too.
> The Jewel auction started December 8, 2004 and was a
> 10-day listing on UK ebay.
> I'm wondering if one of our guys/gals won the Jewel
> and where it is right now?????
> The text of the ad follows, and a photo link is below
> the text---------
>
> 1947 CARLTON JEWEL 23"
>
> Made to special order with chrome panel on seat post,
> chrome f/rear d/outs & head lugs. Superbly cut out
> with Hearts & Fleu D Ly's & gorgeous round forks with
> matching hearts.
>
> Rare 2-speed freewheel makes for extremely comfortable
> riding. Brooks pro saddle, whitewall tyres, GB Brakes.
> The handlebars are almost unique Stratlight Dernier
> with handcut stem.
>
> The name Carlton is soldered onto the head. This
> particular Jewel is the earliest model with a fancy
> b/bracket, Williams c/200 c/set & Webb pedals. Colour
> metallic burgundy. 27 x 1 1/4 wheels. [end auction
> text]
>
> PHOTO LINK:
>
> http://s89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/VintageCyclist/1947%20Carlton%20Jewel/
>
>
> Cheerio,
>
>
> Peter Jourdain
> Whitewater, Wisconsin US of A
>
>
> --- Emanuel Lowi wrote:
>
> > Subject line says it all -- anyone here own one or
> > are
> > there any photos on Wool Jersey?
> >
> > In my ongoing fascination with classic British
> > steeds,
> > I'm reaching the conclusion that this may be one of
> > the most beautiful of the UK classics -- and would
> > love to see some more examples.
> >
> > Emanuel Lowi
> > Montreal, Quebec
> >
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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:38:45 +0000 From: hersefan@comcast.net To: Subject: [CR]FS: French Super Record NOS Road Headset Message-ID: <101920060438.15170.45370155000C2AA600003B422206824693020E000A9C9D0A08@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 5

Just one available. Just found it - new, never mounted, seems to have a bit deeper annodized look than some of the later ones (I'm sure this one is still pretty late though).

$98 with priority shipping in the US. Payment by check or money order

First come first served. Satisfaction guaranteed (just regarding your headset, not your whole life).

Mike Kone in Boulder CO

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:51:57 EDT From: Philcycles@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Is this a TOEI ? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6

In a message dated 10/18/06 8:27:23 PM, draisienne@hotmail.com writes:
>traditional diamond frame bikes and can't turn up anything english (or
>even
>engrish for that matter!). I fouind this on the web - see second and third
>picture of the silver bike. Is is a Toei ? That's the only english word
>in
>the title....
>http://www12.ocn.ne.jp/%7Ehishikaw/page005.html
>Any help would be very much appreciated!

Following the links seems to indicate that the guy's name is H. Ishikawa and he seems to be a very highly skilled leather worker. Phil Brown No snappy signoff in San Rafael, claif. ------------------------------

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:02:30 +0000 From: hersefan@comcast.net To: Subject: [CR]French Super Record NOS Road Headset Sold Message-ID: <101920060502.6090.453706E60002814B000017CA2206824693020E000A9C9D0A08@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 7

Hi folks, As title says, headset sold -really fast. This list has been fast today! Mike Kone in Boulder CO

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:10:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Tutty

To: cmontgomery , Peter Jourdain , Emanuel Lowi , classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Carlton Jewel -- anybody have one? 1947 JEWEL PHOTOS POSTED! Message-ID: <20061019051017.49233.qmail@web32605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <005b01c6f339$d63f0ea0$3089e744@D687QV01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 8

It appears to be a Cyclo derailleur shifter from a late 1930's Cyclo Standard or Oppy. This would work OK with a 2 speed hub gear despite no lever "indexing" if the low gear was selected at the extreme end of the levers pull, high (direct drive) would engage once the cable went slack.

Peter Tutty Londonderry NSW Australia.

cmontgomery wrote: That "rare 2 speed freewheel" looks to be a TF with the very rare freewheel made specifically for it. Can't make out what shifter that is. Can anyone id it?

Craig Montgomery Tucson


> Greetings, Emanuel and CR Mates---
>
> Emanuel, you were looking for Carlton Jewel
> pictures...
> Well, after hours of scouring all of my old, dusty
> hard drives, I've finally found (and have now posted)
> the auction photos of that Carlton Jewel I had seen a
> couple of years ago on ebay.
> I remember those auctions by Paul Cameron (for there
> were about a half dozen bikes auctioned simultaneously
> by him) caused quite a stir on CR, in that most if not
> all of the bikes were lovely, and a couple of
> them----this Jewel and a Viking SBU tracker----were
> excpetional. I hope to find the Viking photos soon and
> post those, too.
> The Jewel auction started December 8, 2004 and was a
> 10-day listing on UK ebay.
> I'm wondering if one of our guys/gals won the Jewel
> and where it is right now?????
> The text of the ad follows, and a photo link is below
> the text---------
>
> 1947 CARLTON JEWEL 23"
>
> Made to special order with chrome panel on seat post,
> chrome f/rear d/outs & head lugs. Superbly cut out
> with Hearts & Fleu D Ly's & gorgeous round forks with
> matching hearts.
>
> Rare 2-speed freewheel makes for extremely comfortable
> riding. Brooks pro saddle, whitewall tyres, GB Brakes.
> The handlebars are almost unique Stratlight Dernier
> with handcut stem.
>
> The name Carlton is soldered onto the head. This
> particular Jewel is the earliest model with a fancy
> b/bracket, Williams c/200 c/set & Webb pedals. Colour
> metallic burgundy. 27 x 1 1/4 wheels. [end auction
> text]
>
> PHOTO LINK:
>
> http://s89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/VintageCyclist/1947%20Carlton%20Jewel/
>
>
> Cheerio,
>
>
> Peter Jourdain
> Whitewater, Wisconsin US of A
>
>
> --- Emanuel Lowi wrote:
>
> > Subject line says it all -- anyone here own one or
> > are
> > there any photos on Wool Jersey?
> >
> > In my ongoing fascination with classic British
> > steeds,
> > I'm reaching the conclusion that this may be one of
> > the most beautiful of the UK classics -- and would
> > love to see some more examples.
> >
> > Emanuel Lowi
> > Montreal, Quebec
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:42:43 -0500 From: "Retrofan531" To: "classic list" Subject: [CR]FS: 3 quill stems Message-ID: <01ae01c6f341$66a2b1c0$4c02f918@home1fankkhk9z> References: <43566263.2010007@new.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9

New in package Modolo Flash stem, 11cm , gray color

Used but good 3T Status stem, 10cm, brushed silverish color, insertion scratches up to about 1.5cm above minimum insertion line

Used but good 3T w/hinged front stem, 8.5cm, blueish-silver color, insertion scratches up to the minimum insertion mark, no rubber plug covering tightening bolt

$35 shipped for all three stems

Paypal fine

Frank Phillips McAlester, OK USA

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:26:09 -0700 From: "Kurt Sperry" Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Nuovo Vs. GS Seatposts Message-ID: <75d04b480610182226j484e308v365ca3018a05429@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: haxixe@gmail.com Message: 10

I've wondered this before and I saw this auction

http://ebay.com/<blah>

What disginguised this sort of GS seatpost from a similar NR one? It looks identical to NR ones I've had.

Kurt Sperry Bellingham WA USA

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:35:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Jourdain

To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, dcwilson3@yahoo.com Subject: [CR]1967 Schwinn Ladies Paramount Deluxe and date code stamping on Campy Record cranks Message-ID: <20061019053501.96253.qmail@web32912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 11

Greetings, CR Mates---

I was the fortunate fellow who won the ebay auction for the 24-inch Schwinn Ladies Paramount Deluxe that was recently on ebay and which Don Wilson outted to the List and Peter Weigle commented upon. Link to auction is below.

http://ebay.com/<blah>

The bike has arrived and, despite its paint issues, it is absolutely lovely. Once the bike is cleaned up and reassembled I will be posting detailed photos of it to the List.

But to cut to the chase---------

My question concerns the Record cranks. Each arm is date stamped 67, and I am wondering if this was something Campy did in the factory for all their Record cranks of that era, something they did for Schwinn, or something Schwinn itself did pre-assembly of the bike?

The date stamps do not have the typical Campy cleanliness to them---they look rather crude---and so I am guessing Schwinn did this. But I'd like to know for sure.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Cheerio,

Peter Jourdain Whitewater, Wisconsin US of A

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:40:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ted E. Baer" To: haxixe@gmail.com Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Nuovo Vs. GS Seatposts Message-ID: <20061019064030.8188.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <75d04b480610182226j484e308v365ca3018a05429@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 12

Hi Kurt,

You asked:
> What disginguised this sort of GS seatpost from a
> similar NR one? It looks
> identical to NR ones I've had.

This is very interesting. Let me pause the movie ("Kramer vs. Kramer".)

I am looking at the 1982 Campagnolo catalog. -On page 4 you will see the Super Rec group with post #4051/1 (Nuovo Super Record Seatpost.) -On page 5 you will see the Nuovo Rec group with what appears to be the identical post but with part #1044 (Record Seatpost.) -On page 6 you will see the Gran Sport Road Group with post #3800.

-Turning to page 34, you will see three seat posts. The following models are listed at the top of the page: 1044, 3800, and 4051/1. There are three photos of seatposts below. First post is 3800 Gran Sport two-bolt style, next photo is 1044 Nuovo Record two-bolt style, and the post on the far right is 4051/1 Super Record single bolt style.

Could Campagnolo have put the wrong photo (a photo of a Super Record post) on page 5 in with the Nuovo Record group?

I think so.

Take a look at the 1984 catalog. You will notice that the problem has been corrected.

I have no idea as to what the difference is between the Gran Sport and Nuovo Record seat posts.

Ted Baer
back to the movie......
Palo Alto, CA


--- Kurt Sperry wrote:


> I've wondered this before and I saw this auction
>
>
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
> What disginguised this sort of GS seatpost from a
> similar NR one? It looks
> identical to NR ones I've had.
>
> Kurt Sperry
> Bellingham WA
> USA
>
>
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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 01:29:20 -0700 From: "Mark Bulgier" To: "Nic Henderson" ,

Subject: RE: [CR]Andrew Hague Cycles Message-ID: <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A9070641DB@hippy.home.here> In-Reply-To: <001401c6f2f8$46ef31d0$0300a8c0@nicd60e2c6b784> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13

Nic,

Nice work, thanks for sharing. I used to use A. Hague bits (in the late 70s), and your web page reminded me I have a 2-page black-and-white brochure from that era, describing their custom handlebar stem making system. I scanned it and you are welcome to add it to your website if you see fit.

http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/FrameParts/Andrew_Hague_stem_jig_p1.jpg http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/FrameParts/Andrew_Hague_stem_jig_p2.jpg

Those above are about 600 x 800 pixels and a reasonably small quick download. I also put the full-size (300 dpi) scans up, in case anyone needs it bigger. They're 4 times as tall and wide, about 1 MB each (so, still not too terribly big):

http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/FrameParts/Andrew_Hague_stem_jig_p1_big.jpg http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/FrameParts/Andrew_Hague_stem_jig_p2_big.jpg

He describes the profits to be made with a custom stem business (!?), and describes the building process in some detail.

Mark Bulgier Seattle WA USA

Nic Henderson wrote:
>
> Hello all, I've just done a page on my website about Andrew Hague,
> (who?!) Andrew Hague made and supplied a lot of the frame
> building parts as well as other bike accessories back in the
> late 70's and early 80's. Andrew Hague Cycles supplied
> braze-on bits to the likes of Raleigh and Carlton and also to
> lots of the small builders both in the UK and abroad
> including Mario Confente and Mitch Kneller of Massachusetts, USA.
> Check it out if interested
> http://www.bikebrothers.co.uk/andrewhaguecycles.htm
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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:25:32 +0000 From: "neil foddering" To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]ASC hub FS - mine Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14

Before I list it on eBay, I'm offering a Sturmey Archer ASC hub, dated October 1949, to list members. Pictures can be viewed at:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v396/hadendowa/ASC/

It's been overhauled by Hilary earlier this year, and not used since. The spoke holes are in excellent condition, as is the alloy shell, apart from some minor scuffs.

The sprung cover for the left-hand ball cup oil hole is missing, but Hilary confirmed that this will not present a problem. If oil should weep from the hole while in use, then it can be plugged with grease, but these hubs aren't oil tight anyway. This oiler hole was omitted altogether on later models.

Price is GBP175, plus shipping.

If interested, please contact me off-list. I'm happy to answer any queries.

Neil Foddering Weymouth, Dorset, England

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:36:56 -0400 From: "Aldo Ross" To: Subject: [CR] =?iso-8859-1?q?Pic_of_the_Day_-_V=E9lodyne?= Message-ID: <000801c6f372$e24fcde0$3217fbd1@Newhouse> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15

Marcel Berthet's beautiful "Vélodyne No.01", built by the Avions Caudron (Caudron Airplane Company). Photo taken at the Parc des Princes (Paris) on September 9th, 1933, when Berthet covered a record 48.604 kms in one hour. From "Le Miroir des Sports" No.914, 20 October 1936.

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/aldoross/pd/Velodyne.JPG.html

Aldo Ross Middletown, Ohio, USA

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:09:23 EDT From: Huemax@aol.com To: draisienne@hotmail.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Is this a TOEI ? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16

In a message dated 10/18/06 11:27:23 PM, draisienne@hotmail.com writes:


> http://www12.ocn.ne.jp/%7Ehishikaw/page005.html
> I've been trying to find one of these vintage Japanese bikes for a while. Heck, I've just been trying to find any information on these small wheeled traditional diamond frame bikes and can't turn up anything english (or even engrish for that matter!). I fouind this on the web - see second and third picture of the silver bike. Is is a Toei ? That's the only english word in the title..

Hi Peter,

Bikes shown could be TOEI's but the copy lines said THE BAG SPECIFICATION FO R TOEI (TYPE?) SUPPO®T/CARRIER.

This site is setup for a leather craftman who said "It cannot reply to an English e-mail."

The site is title as "KURAFUTO KOBOU" means "Craft Workshop"

HIs name is Yoichi Bishikawa, from Chiba prefecture, in Japan (out east of Tokyo), he also craft Japanese rice paper and metal.

Is this guy, once recommended by one of our CR member, Dennis Young in Japan ?

Have a great day"

KEN TODA, High Point, NC where furniture market is going HOT!

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