[CR]Re: Rearward opening "drop-outs".

(Example: Production Builders:Frejus)

From: "Bicycle Specialties" <mike@bikespecialties.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:39:09 -0700
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Subject: [CR]Re: Rearward opening "drop-outs".

Joe King wrote: Really a very simple reason for track ends they give you a greater range of gear ratios than road drop outs I would have thought this was self evident to any cyclist?

Well it is not evident to me and I consider myself a bit of a cyclist. It obviously wasn't evident to a guy named Fausto Coppi who I understand was a bit of a cyclist in his day. Coppi's track bike had Campag "Paris-Roubaix' drop-outs fitted with the teeth filed out. They had the advantage of being longer (55 mm) than the Campag 1010 road drop-outs (40 mm). The Campag track drop-outs were 44 mm which is longer than many of the rearward opening drop-outs available today. My point is that current day builders of single gear bikes have had rearward opening drop-outs made with eyelets where forward opening would be far more practical, providing of course that the slots are reasonably long..

If you are using 1" pitch this is especially so. Mudguard eyes on track bikes? Do you mean road-path or road-track which were popular deacades ago?

No I mean the current builders who follow fashion rather than stopping to think, much as the Brits did in the fifties and sixties with their road/path bikes.

Mike Barry.
Brazing in drop-outs in Toronto.


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> 1. eRichie's Masi -- Reality Sets In (David Patrick)
> 2. Re: Bianchi track frames: Gipiemme fork ends? (Mark Ritz)
> 3. Rearward opening rear "Drop-out". (Bicycle Specialties)
> 4. Re: [RE]outing of Lambert bicycle
> 5. Re: FS: Campy NR/SR brake flat QR's Sold
> 6. Re: Rearward opening rear "Drop-out".
> 7. For Sale vintage Dura ace parts groupo (Phil Scott)
> 8. Japanese leather bicycle accessories (Bob Hanson)
> 9. clarification: Re: [CR]Bianchi track frames: Gipiemme fork ends?
> (Pete Geurds)
> 10. Re: Rearward opening rear "Drop-out". (Joe King)
> 11. Leather Brake lever hoods from Japan (cnighbor)
> 12. Re: Leather Brake lever hoods from Japan (Steven Willis)
> 13. Re: Leather Brake lever hoods from Japan (Tim Victor)
> 14. Re: Rearward opening rear "Drop-out". (Sheldon Brown)
> 15. San Rensho FS on Denver Craigslist (Gear)
> 16. bike sightings (Ken Bensinger)
> 17. Shared Brit bikes to view (Peter Brown)
>
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> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:05:43 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Patrick <patrick-ajdb@sbcglobal.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]eRichie's Masi -- Reality Sets In
> Message-ID: <20061019190543.33879.qmail@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> The highest bid last spring on Richard's Masi was very generous and it
> seems Richard should have offered the bike up back then to the highest
> bidder. Mike Kone is spot on when he reminds us that this is a restored
> example, even if it is a rare variation, and as such, the discriminating
> buyer will most likely not pay as much for this item as he would an all
> original, mint example. I've had a chance to see in person one the NOS
> Masi GCs that John Barron sold and this thing was definitely talking to
> me, as it was dead-on, but still had the correct "smell", so to speak,
> that a restored bike wouldn't have. The high price seen earlier on
> Richad's Masi was no doubt due in part to "the cult of eRichie", which
> caused bidders to place special value on Richard's ownership of the bike.
> It now seems that perhaps some cult members have been successfully
> deprogrammed and will no longer be seen at airports selling Richard's red
> & white jerseys.
>
> Dave Patrick
> Chelsea, Michigan USA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:13:06 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mark Ritz <ritzmon@sbcglobal.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: Bianchi track frames: Gipiemme fork ends?
> Message-ID: <20061019191306.95650.qmail@web83106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> There were two levels of Bianchi track bikes in the 80's, the Super Pista
> (full campy with campy ends in chrome IIRC and full Columbus PS tubeset)
> and the Eco-Pista (Gipiemme group, Columbus tretubi frame). The geometry
> was very similiar if not the same, and the Eco-Pista was a popular
> entry-level track bike in my old store in San Marino, CA.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark (Pista) Ritz
> The other end of the state from San Marino in Arcata, CA, USA
>
> Pete wrote:
> Questions for owners of early 80's Bianchi track frames:
>
> Did they use Gipiemme track fork ends (dropouts) as on some road bike
> frames?
> If so what tubing sticker is on frame?
> Finally is it a second tier model with the Gipiemme group?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:17:19 -0700
> From: "Bicycle Specialties" <mike@bikespecialties.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Rearward opening rear "Drop-out".
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> Can anyone suggest a good reason why rearward opening rear "drop-outs"
> are still being used on single gear bikes?. I cannot see one good reason
> for them. Why aren't forward opening horizontal drop-outs being used?
> "Track ends" make no sense even on track bikes. It makes it more
> difficult to remove the rear wheel and when fenders are fitted wheel
> removal is a major operation. I've noticed that some makers have
> recently had rearward opening drop-outs made with fender eyelets
> incorporated, why? We have recently had customers come in with frames
> that they intend putting a fixed wheel on. Their frames have perfectly
> good long horizontal drop-outs but they ask for them to be removed and
> "track ends" fitted. What earthly improvement do they think it is going
> to make? All for style I suppose.
> Mike Barry.
> Mariposa Bicycles. Toronto.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:40:30 +0000 (GMT)
> From: joebz@optonline.net
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR][RE]outing of Lambert bicycle
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> The Lambert rear derailleur was a bad copy of the Suntour patented design
> except built like a poorly executed Huret Svelto. Suntour sued Lambert
> for patent infringement, as they did all slant pantograph copyists, and
> the derailleurs disappeared.
>
> A true story. I was looking down to try and figure out why said derailleur
> shifted so poorly when I bumped into a parked car at less than walking
> speed. The wheel was still true but the fork steerer snapped!
>
> Joe Bender-Zanoni
> Great Notch, NJ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wheelman@nac.net
> Date: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:36 pm
> Subject: [CR][RE]outing of Lambert bicycle
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
>> Yes, Lambert did brand their own derailleurs. I have the same
>> bike and I
>> have most of the Lambert equipment on it. Also, I have had at
>> least 3
>> others of the lesser model (white and red color scheme) and they
>> had the
>> same components including branded derailleurs.
>>
>> There are stories on the web regarding the entire history of
>> this bike
>> including the infameous death fork. I have a couple of frames
>> and forks
>> hanging out at my favorite haunt Steve Willis' (The Bike Stand).
>> I think
>> Steve said he wanted to build up one so that leaves the other for
>> sale/trade if anyone is interested. FF only, these are pretty
>> light and
>> thin tubing but are lugless versions. I believe I also have some
>> miscellaneous Lambert parts that I will also sell/trade if there
>> is any
>> interest.
>>
>> Ray Homiski
>> Elizabeth, NJ
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:48:37 +0000
> From: hersefan@comcast.net
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]FS: Campy NR/SR brake flat QR's Sold
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> This list is rockin - the brake QR's are sold.
> Mike Kone in Boulder CO
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:59:24 +0000 (GMT)
> From: joebz@optonline.net
> To: Bicycle Specialties <mike@bikespecialties.com>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Rearward opening rear "Drop-out".
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> Sheldon Brown agrees with you Mike. From his glossary, "The old-fashioned
> rear-opening style fork ends are still seen on some single-speed bikes,
> mainly as a retro fashion statement. The revival of rear opening fork ends
> is an unfortunate fad, making the bikes that feature this design less
> versatile and less convenient than they would be if they used drop outs.
>
> There is an argument for better stiffness and structure with a rear facing
> fork end but it is silly since there is no evidence of any actual problem
> with dropouts.
>
> A rear facing fork end with fenders is a nightmare. Any mechanic who has
> had the pleasure of fixing a flat on British Roadster with rear facing
> ends will attest to that. Throw a set of American type wire basket stays
> on the axle for even further enjoyment. Something like that would clog up
> a workstand for half an hour instead of 5 minutes.
>
> Joe Bender-Zanoni
> Great Notch, NJ
> Great Notch, NJ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bicycle Specialties
> Date: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:17 pm
> Subject: [CR]Rearward opening rear "Drop-out".
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
>> Can anyone suggest a good reason why rearward opening rear "drop-
>> outs"
>> are still being used on single gear bikes?. I cannot see one
>> good reason
>> for them. Why aren't forward opening horizontal drop-outs being
>> used?
>> "Track ends" make no sense even on track bikes. It makes it more
>> difficult to remove the rear wheel and when fenders are fitted
>> wheel
>> removal is a major operation. I've noticed that some makers have
>> recently had rearward opening drop-outs made with fender eyelets
>> incorporated, why? We have recently had customers come in with
>> frames
>> that they intend putting a fixed wheel on. Their frames have
>> perfectly
>> good long horizontal drop-outs but they ask for them to be
>> removed and
>> "track ends" fitted. What earthly improvement do they think it
>> is going
>> to make? All for style I suppose.
>> Mike Barry.
>> Mariposa Bicycles. Toronto.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:16:20 -0400
> From: "Phil Scott" <pdscott@woh.rr.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]For Sale vintage Dura ace parts groupo
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> For Sale vintage Dura ace parts groupo. Older 170 crank arms, brakes
> ders, cable guides , shifters, cables ,don't know era 70's - $130
>
> Phil Scott
>
> Clayton, Ohio
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:21:10 -0600
> From: theonetrueBob@webtv.net (Bob Hanson)
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR] Japanese leather bicycle accessories
> Message-ID: <26603-4537DE36-1459@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net>
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>
> Did anyone bother to navigate through the website which was linked on
> the earlier posting about a possible small-wheeled Toei bicycle
> sighting?
>
> If you have some time for a leisurely ramble, do check out the website.
> I believe it may be a catalogue for a Japanese leathercrafter who does
> beautiful... no make that AMAZING work.
>
> How about a set of custom leather Campy hoods or hand stitched leather
> Mafac half-hoods, perhaps a leather bottle cage inner sleeve to pamper
> your alloy bottle, and of course numerous classic styled handlebar bags
> in the most beautiful leather you will ever see.
>
> You can also buy R.Herse handlebar bag holder replicas and copies of his
> straddle wire pulley hangers and even classic fender mount rear
> light/reflector units. Or perhaps you'd like custom some designed
> polished alloy chainrings to fit your Stronglight 49D crankset?
>
> Here is the link to the home page. Go ahead, I dare you...
>
> http://www12.ocn.ne.jp/%7Ehishikaw/index.html
>
> I did not look for prices on these items, but, you know the saying; "If
> you have to ask the price..."
>
> Bob Hanson, Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:31:09 -0400
> From: "Pete Geurds" <raleighpro@dejazzd.com>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: clarification: Re: [CR]Bianchi track frames: Gipiemme fork ends?
> Message-ID: <064101c6f3bd$83277ed0$6401a8c0@peter5x12klm15>
> References: <059f01c6f3a3$74101e30$6401a8c0@peter5x12klm15>
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> From: "Pete Geurds" <raleighpro@dejazzd.com>
> Subject: [CR]Bianchi track frames: Gipiemme fork ends?
> Vaguely I wrote:
> > Did they use Gipiemme track fork ends (dropouts) as on some road bike
> > frames?
>
> Thanks for responses so far.
> I didn't mean to make it sound like some Bianchi road bikes had Gipiemme
> track ends.
> They of course used regular road dropouts made by Gipiemme.
> Didn't want that to disturb anyone's sleep. ; )
>
> Pete Geurds
> Douglassville, Pa. USofA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:09:52 +0100
> From: "Joe King" <joeking@fastmail.fm>
> To: "Bicycle Specialties" <mike@bikespecialties.com>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Rearward opening rear "Drop-out".
> Message-ID: <1161292192.17270.273766090@webmail.messagingengine.com>
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> Really a very simple reason for track ends they give you a greater
> range of gear ratios than road drop outs I would have thought this was
> self evident to any cyclist?
> If you are using 1" pitch this is especially so. Mudguard eyes on track
> bikes? Do you mean road-path or road-track which were popular deacades
> ago?
>
> Croeso Cymru Joe King Nr. Maenaddwyn Ynys Mon Wales
>
> --
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:07:45 -0700
> From: "cnighbor" <cnighbor@pacbell.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Leather Brake lever hoods from Japan
> Message-ID: <008e01c6f3c2$a16e6750$71bffea9@CharlesNighbor>
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> http://www12.ocn.ne.jp/~hishikaw/page029.html#V<K,kf^fCfv
>
> Looking at Japan Toie site posted before there are these leather brake
> hoods. Any one know how to order
> Charles F. Nighbor
> Walnut Creek, CA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:19:34 -0400
> From: "Steven Willis" <smwillis@verizon.net>
> To: "cnighbor" <cnighbor@pacbell.net>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Leather Brake lever hoods from Japan
> Message-ID: <013801c6f3c4$46d3c0e0$2c01a8c0@bike1>
> References: <008e01c6f3c2$a16e6750$71bffea9@CharlesNighbor>
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> That is cool.
> Steven Willis
> The Bike Stand
> 1778 East Second Street
> Scotch Plains NJ 07076
> 908-322-3330
> http://www.thebikestand.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cnighbor" <cnighbor@pacbell.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:07 PM
> Subject: [CR]Leather Brake lever hoods from Japan
>
>
>> http://www12.ocn.ne.jp/~hishikaw/page029.html#V<K,kf^fCfv
>>
>> Looking at Japan Toie site posted before there are these leather brake
>> hoods. Any one know how to order
>> Charles F. Nighbor
>> Walnut Creek, CA
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:27:40 -0400
> From: "Tim Victor" <timvictor@gmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Leather Brake lever hoods from Japan
> Message-ID: <c6d151100610191427s4037f2bbh4fd1c961d36ac9d4@mail.gmail.com>
> In-Reply-To: <008e01c6f3c2$a16e6750$71bffea9@CharlesNighbor>
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> Mr. Hishikawa knows not a single word of English and cannot
> handle or even reply to requests from American sellers. Dennis
> Young in Japan handled a group order for a lot of his goods
> two years back. Read about it here:
>
> http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=classicrendezvous.10409.09
> 98.eml
> http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=classicrendezvous.10410.04
> 13.eml
> http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=classicrendezvous.10411.18
> 23.eml
> http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=classicrendezvous.10412.07
> 46.eml
> http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=classicrendezvous.10412.12
> 26.eml
> http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=classicrendezvous.10502.02
> 35.eml
>
> I wasn't part of the group but wish that I could have afforded
> to have been. Apparently everyone was far beyond impressed
> with the quality of his work.
>
> Once again, the archives contain all answers. :-)
>
> Peace,
>
> Tim Victor
> Greensboro, NC
>
>
> On 10/19/06, cnighbor wrote:
>> http://www12.ocn.ne.jp/~hishikaw/page029.html#V<K,kf^fCfv
>>
>> Looking at Japan Toie site posted before there are these leather brake
>> hoods. Any one know how to order
>> Charles F. Nighbor
>> Walnut Creek, CA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:28:34 -0400
> From: Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>
> To: "Joe King" <joeking@fastmail.fm>,
> "Bicycle Specialties" <mike@bikespecialties.com>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Rearward opening rear "Drop-out".
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> Joe King wrote:
>>Really a very simple reason for track ends they give you a greater
>>range of gear ratios than road drop outs I would have thought this was
>>self evident to any cyclist?
>
> That is an issue of the length of the slots, not whether they open at
> the front or the back.
>
> Sheldon "1010" Brown
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:32:35 -0600
> From: "Gear" <gear@xmission.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]San Rensho FS on Denver Craigslist
> Message-ID: <016a01c6f3c6$28da09d0$6401a8c0@Grego1>
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>
> Hi all,
> No relation, not my size, (they never are) but sure looks pretty in the
> photo. Here's the link:
>
> http://denver.craigslist.org/bik/222574530.html
>
> Greg Overton
> As the British car guys say, 'Keep em on the road'
> Lost between Utah and Colorado, USA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:33:41 -0400
> From: "Ken Bensinger" <kenbensinger@gmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]bike sightings
> Message-ID: <ef3b06240610191433y5c37b6fby677b4f113b062fc9@mail.gmail.com>
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> This may or may not inspire passionate discussion, but it's something I've
> been noticing quite a bit of and thought it might be interesting to hear
> if
> others have made similar observations.
>
> Which is: amazing vintage bikes hitched to city street posts. And left in
> the rain, snow and sun.
>
> Today I saw a gorgeous Frejus chained to a light post on 53rd street
> between
> Madison and 5th Avenue. Gotta be pre-1970. It had a chromed head lug and
> nice looking decals. It was tall and sharp, but heavily modified with
> riser
> bars and etc. Fork looked right, though. It was being used as a fixie.
>
> There's a very nice DeRosa I see around, used by a messenger. Lovely blue
> with great looking lug work. Often chained in front of my office.
>
> And then there was the rootbeer brown Masi Gran Crit I saw outside traffic
> court one morning. Thing was beautiful, and just chained there in the
> rain.
> Also used as a fixie.
>
> But perhaps my favorite was a pair of messenger wannabees hoisting,
> respectively, a pristine white Schwinn Paramount trackie from, by the
> looks
> of it, the 1960s, and a Raleigh Team Pro trackie from the late 70s. They
> put them down, chained them both to a parking meter with a single cable
> lock, and went into some East Village bar.
>
> Makes a man want to buy a pair of bolt cutters. Har har.
>
> Ken Bensinger
> Brooklyn, NY
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:49:19 +0100
> From: "Peter Brown" <peterg.brown@ntlworld.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Shared Brit bikes to view
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> I have been trying to add some pics to my Wooljersey albums, but seem to
> be
> doing something wrong. I think perhaps I should have updated my
> registration or something a few months ago and didn't. I have tried to
> contact Morgan Fletcher to help me sort the problem out, but so far
> without
> success. As a temporary measure I have uploaded them to my ISP hosting
> site, and with a bit of luck you can see them by going to
> http://ntlworld.photobox.co.uk/album/4242676
> http://ntlworld.photobox.co.uk/album/4242676 , and then clicking on my
> album
> to see a list of the various albums I have used. If that doesn't work,
> perhaps some one will be good enough to let me know and I will try to
> sort
> it out.
>
>
>
> Peter Brown, Lincolnshire, England.
>
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