[CR] Re: Ciocc pronunciation

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From: "Mark Buswell|SisuHome" <mark@sisuhome.com>
Subject: [CR] Re: Ciocc pronunciation
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:59:41 -0800
To: CR <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
cc: Roger Powers <rpowers@cruzio.com>

Well, however you say it, thanks for the astute guesses and your comments!

I do believe it rhymes with 'coach' but with a soft 'ch' at the beginning - like Kurt pointed out. That's just my 2 cents on the deal

though.

Below my signoff is the (non) concensus. Quite funny when read in succession.

Mark Buswell San Francisco, CA United States

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How does one correctly pronounce "Ciöcc?" Is it more-or-less "choke?"

And how do most people pronounce the name of the model?

Moscow? Mosk-va? Mok-ba?

David Bean Arlington, MA

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My understanding is that it's pronounced "choch" (rhyming with splotch.)

sasha "you say tomato, i say tomahto" eysymontt, nyc

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According to Bicycling Mag about 1979-80 ? it is COACH

Dickey Greer West Monroe,La USA Dickey's Recreation Room

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no, it's "choch", like choke but with a soft "ch" ending.

yes, the word is Moscow, the letters are Cyrillic and not intented to be sounded like the Latin letters they resemble. Tho it should be done

with a correct Russian accent :c)

Alan Goldsworthy San Francisco, CA, USA

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Rhymes with "roach".

Kurt Sperry Bellingham WA USA

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To elaborate further, it's pronounced beginning with a soft "ch" as in "Charlie", so- "choach".

Kurt Sperry Bellingham WA USA

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Nope, more like "George" with a more accented second "ch"... please see, erm listen to http://www.mappel.de/sound/bike_brands.mp3

:)

Martin Appel Munich, Germany

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I just listened Martin, and it sounds like how this sounds when written?

"cho - cha "

Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California United States of America http://www.velo-retro.com (reprints, t-shirts & timelines)

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It is always hard to write thiese things with an ordinary alphabete, as the pronounciation of the consonants and vowels differs between languages. I would write it "Tschötsch" in German :) Best would be to write it down in IPA which is designed for stuff like this, alas i'm not even amateur level at these things. i tried my luck with an IPA "typewriter" i found on the web, and the output looks like this:

t\u0283\u0276t\u0283

hope the characters make it thru all this encoding :)

Martin Appel Munich, Germany

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hi, i was always told that it was pronounced as CHURCH in a soft Ulster accent we have real hard A's in Ulster.. to non believers i spell the

mother!!!! Willie Carton COLERAINE.. N. IRELAND a.k.a ULSTER

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Well, we beat the poor bike to death and still don't know how to say it! I'm so torn up, till I think I'll go ride my new 1973 Moto Grand Record I finished putting together at 5am this morning. Is that Record or Ree-cord? Have a nice day.

Dickey Greer West Monroe,La USA Cycler531 Dickey's Recreation Room

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I was told by the importer it was to be said as "church" Steven Willis The Bike Stand 1778 East Second Street Scotch Plains NJ 07076 908-322-3330 http://www.thebikestand.com

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I've heard "choech" is the proper pronunciation.

If you interpret the letters as Cyrillic, not Roman, the name MOCKBA refers to the city we call "Moscow" and is pronounced "moskva"

John "I took Russian -- long ago!" Thompson (john@os2.dhs.org) Appleton WI USA