Re: [CR]Toe Clip Overlap on "good" Bikes//Touring Bikes


Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:39:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Peter Tutty <peter_tutty@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Toe Clip Overlap on "good" Bikes//Touring Bikes
To: Brian Van Baush <bvanbaush@ameritech.net>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <20061101024506.93002.qmail@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


I've heard it said that UK manufacturers got around the 'no toeclip overlap' part of the Brithish Standard by ceasing to supply cycles with toeclips and straps. Of course what the new cycle owner then did by way of fitting toeclips was their own business.

Peter Tutty Londonderry NSW AUSTRALIA

Brian Van Baush <bvanbaush@ameritech.net> wrote: I'm not an expert, but there seems to have been quite a few builders making very nice Touring Bikes in the late 70's and early 80's.

Sam Braxton - developed his own style in Montana based on his experience with Bikecentennial and the 1000's of Touring cyclist's who came through Missoula. He also developed an early Mtn Bike using 650b wheels, before the Mtn Bike boom, for riding the bike trails in and around Missoula.

R&E has built great touring frames for years with all the fittings for lights, racks, fenders and dyno's mounted under the BB. I have one from the early 80's.

Bruce Gordon

FM Assenmacher

Jim Redcay

Personally, I think toe clip overlap is a mistake on any bicycle. Tony Oliver wrote in his Touring Bikes book that British Standard BS6102, forbids toe clip overlap on mass produced bikes.

Brian Van Baush Evergreen, CO USA

It occurred to me that many KOF builders today, had begun perfecting
>their art during the waning of the 1970s. By that time [...] were
>ALL truly designed as Racing bikes. ~ So, could this not have had a
>significant influence on what was perceived as
>a superior overall design for a bike?

I think that is absolutely true. Throw in that mountain bikes began as Schwinn cruisers, with geometries that were not developed for performance riding, and the art of how to make a great cyclotouring, randonneur, etc., bike was lost. Note the separate thread on under-BB cable guides... done before, but off the radar for Americans until recently.
>What I definitely have noticed is that I've seen little to indicate that
>anyone (in the US, at least) had ever even attempted to follow in the
>traditions of the French constructeurs, for example. Masi as a style
>model?... Definitely. But Herse?... Well, not that I know of.

There were some, R. T. Jansen, Bill Vetter, a few others, but they didn't get much press, few orders, and it fizzled out after a few dozen bikes each. The bike boom was about racing bikes, even for touring.
>I should modify that last comment by saying: I have not seen this UNTIL
>rather recently - because I have now seen [...] at least one
>gorgeous Randonneur by
>Peter Weigle