[CR]Fake bianchi - Now Enik

(Example: Framebuilders:Rene Herse)

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:58:21 +0200
From: "kim klakow" <Akimbo71@gmx.net>
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To: "Michael Schmid" <schmid@zunterer.com>, simonpj@mac.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]Fake bianchi - Now Enik

Hi Michael, Hello Wyndham,

I am sorry to say that although the info is very welcome, the fork is an Enik. They equipped the german national teams in the 70s. Nice bikes. I ride an early 90s aluminum one with a steel fork sporting this exact same logo. A good daily. Best, kim

-------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:05:32 +0200 Von: "Michael Schmid" <schmid@zunterer.com> An: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, simonpj@mac.com Betreff: [CR]AW: Fake bianchi
> Hello Wyndham,
> The engraving in the fork-crown could also be read as ES. As the seller
> of the bike lives in Wolfratshausen near Munich this would point to a
> local bike brand and store of Edi Strobl in Brunnthal. As far as I know
> Edi Strobl is a former racer and has a nice shop for some years now. The
> shop marketed his own frames under the ES brand mainly in the seventies
> and eighties and probably aluminium frames today. . I think their frames
> were ordered at some of the bigger makers in close nothern italy. I have
> seen at least one steelframe with a different ES engraving at the fork
> crown. The script was more modern so the bike you have could be older. A
> lot of those bikes came in fancy cromovelato finish, which goes together
> with the chrome/nickel plating your frame. I remember those translucent
> finishes being very nice new but not very solid. The pint chipped off
> easily so someone might just have removed the rest of the finish to gain
> the chrome look. As the shop still exists you can contact them via
> radsportstrobl@gmx.de
> and might get some detailed informations. It is no wonder that the bike
> sports Bianchi stickers since a former distributor sold a lot of sticker
> sets recently via the Internet. You can buy them almost alway on german
> ebay.
>
> Best regard
>
> Michael Schmid
> Oberammergau
> Germany
> mail: schmid@zunterer.com
> http://www.zunterer.com
>
> -
>
> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 11:28:21 +0100
> From: Simon PJ <simonpj@mac.com>
> To: Simon PJ <simonpj@mac.com>, <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Help ID fake Bianchi - detailed pics
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> I have added more detailed photos of the 'fake' Bianchi that I bought
> recently from a German eBay seller:
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/simonpj
>
> I have no reason to believe that the seller was trying to deceive by
> listing the bike as a Bianchi - especially given that the price was not
> high.
>
> The bike is clearly a mix of parts from different dates; the frame
> looking to be end of 70's to early 80's (with top tube brake cable
> braze-ons), with the Campy parts spanning early to mid 70's.
>
> The date mark on the cranks is 5 in a diamond - I assume that that is
> for 1975. The rear derailleur is marked Patent 73, and I believe the
> brakes are early 70's. I can't see any date marks on the Record hub
> lock-nuts, .
>
> I would be very grateful for any information that list members might be
> able to shed on the pantographing on the Nuovo record parts.
>
> The pantographing on the large chainring (with matching colours in the
> drilling on the brake calipers) would seem to be celebrating a World
> Championship relating to a 'B'. It's not the Bianchi 'B' - so what 'B'
> might this be referring to? (I have posted a detailed photo on Wool
> Jersey).
>
> Can anyone shed any light on the identity of the frame? I have posted
> detailed photos of the logos engraved in the tops of the fork crown, and
> of the lugs and BB shell.
>
> The serial number on the BB shell reads, small zero, then larger digits,
> 032700. At right angles to this number is "X 7" on the front side of the
> BB shell.
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
>
> Wyndham Pulman-Jones
> Girton, Cambs.,
> UK.
>
> On 30/9/06 19:46, "Simon PJ" <simonpj@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > A couple of weeks ago I noticed a message posted by Steven Maasland
> > which outed an eBay auction for what purported to be a chrome framed
> > Bianchi sporting some interesting Nuovo Record parts. The Buy-It-Now
> > price was a very reasonable 289 Euros. I bought it. (Steven had
> > alerted me to the fact that the bike was not a Bianchi, but the price
> > seemed fair for the parts
> > alone.)
> >
> > The auction page can be found under Ebay item #190029479525. I have
> > also posted the photos to Wool Jersey
> > (http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/simonpj/)
> >
> > The bike arrived yesterday. The seller was very pleasant to deal with,
>
> > had packed the bike well, and after its journey from Germany to
> > England it arrived in good shape. To the last part, the bike was
> > spotlessly clean.
> >
> > The main mystery is the frame. Clearly not a Bianchi, the frame is
> > lightweight, has fairly fine lugs, and contributes to a total bike
> > weight of about 22 pounds. The fork and rear triangle do appear to be
> > chromed, but the main triangle doesn't look like chrome to me - though
>
> > it is very shiny. Could it be the nickel plating that was underneath
> > the original paint finish?
> >
> > There are markings on each side of the fork crown from which the
> > letters S and D can be identified, plus one other possible letter
> > which looks like a backwards B linking the smaller S and D. I will
> > post more detailed photos to Wool Jersey tomorrow.
> >
> > The chain rings are elaborately pantographed with rainbow colours and
> > a B which is not the Bianchi B, and the brakes are also neatly drilled
>
> > and filled with rainbow colours.
> >
> > The 26.4mm Nuovo Record seat pin was the wrong size - it should be
> > 26.8mm. The wheels are GP4's on Record hubs, fitted with new Wolber
> > tubs. New bars and stem have been fitted, along with Mavic brake
> > levers which I found very uncomfortable on the first ride that I had
> > on the bike today.
> >
> > I'll post more photos tomorrow to Wool Jersey, in the hope that
> > someone might be able to identify the frame.
> >
> > Wyndham Pulman-Jones
> > Girton, Cambs.,
> > UK.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
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> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 11:47:16 +0100
> From: Simon PJ <simonpj@mac.com>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]BB with 2 adjustable cups?
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> I failed to mention in my previous post about the 'fake' Bianchi that
> the bottom bracket is a type that I do not recognise (which appears to
> be very well made), with adjustable cups on both sides.
>
> Is this type of BB intended to allow adjustment of the chain-line?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wyndham Pulman-Jones
> Girton, Cambs.,
> UK.
>
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> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:17:00 +0100
> From: "Joe King" <joeking@fastmail.fm>
> To: "Simon PJ" <simonpj@mac.com>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]BB with 2 adjustable cups?
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> Hello Wyndham
> Sounds like a sealed unit bottom bracket assembly that slides in and is
> held in place by two lock-rings. Yes you can alter the chain line on
> these type very fractionally. Typical makes are Bador and
> Nadax-Favorit which fall within the CR time line 1981.
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