Re: Was: [CR]Pinarello Gavia, now, what frames qualify post-83 as "keeper of the flame"

(Example: Framebuilding:Restoration)

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 08:27:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Was: [CR]Pinarello Gavia, now, what frames qualify post-83 as "keeper of the flame"
To: loudeeter@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <8C8D16183B78BE1-E24-A7F@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com>


You're right of course, it's Dale's call. But my vote, for what it's worth, would be to allow any lugged steel frame. These have become rare enough now that any small support this list might give to continuing their production is a good thing. Bianchi, for example, has not, I believe, produced a lugged steel frame since the late 90's and I think Peugeot quit even a bit earlier. I think Colnago still makes a lugged steel model or two, although they probably have the straight fork blades.

Regards,

Jerry Moos Big Spring, West Texas

loudeeter@aol.com wrote: David Bilenky said: "But I am pretty sure that this bike is outside of the CR timeline given the internal brake cable routing. I'd guess '88? '89?"

I show in the Used Bike Buyers Guide the Pinarello Gavia was made with TSX from 90-93. The issue of whether a production frame after 1983 is on or off topic is always a difficult one for the list. I believe we have recognized lugged steel DeRosa frames post-83 as on-topic, for example, but some of the other high volume Italian makes as off-topic. It's Dale's call of course, just hard to figure out which ones pass the "keeper-of-the-flame" test when they are made in a factory. I believe it is easy when the builder is known to actually build, such as Pegoretti. I'm not so sure when the bikes are made in mass quantities, but still to the same design and standards set down by the founder. I really don't mind mention of the frames as long as they are quality lugged steel. Parts, such as C-Record and after, on the other hand, are clearly out of the timeline. Lou Deeter, often confused in Orlando FL

-----Original Message----- From: dbilenkey@sympatico.ca To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 9:57 AM Subject: RE: [CR]Pinarello Gavia

That decal says FRX. Looks like a Pinarello specific decal. But I am pretty sure that this bike is outside of the CR timeline given the internal brake cable routing. I'd guess '88? '89?

David -- David Bilenkey Ottawa, Ontario, Canada dbilenkey@sympatico.ca

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/Bilenkeys-Bikestash


> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of
> Chen Luun Teo
> Sent: November 8, 2006 2:07 AM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Pinarello Gavia
>
>
> Hey Derek, thanks for the quick reply, please chk out the link below,
> it contains the picture of the decal attached to the bike's seat
> tube,thanks !!
>
> http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f32/hyperzeta/SeatLug-3.jpg
>
> Chen Luun Teo
> Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Derek Willburn
> Date: Wednesday, November 8, 2006 2:32 pm
> Subject: Re: [CR]Pinarello Gavia
>
> > Hello Chen,
> > I think the Gavia came with TSX tubing. Here is a
> > Columbus tubing chart for build reference:
> >
> > http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/columbus/columbuschart.htm
> >
> > I never met a Pinarello I didn't like.
> >
> > Ciao,
> > Derek Willburn
> > Long Beach, CA USA
> >
> > --- Chen Luun Teo wrote:
> >
> > > i have this question which i can't seem to find the
> > > answer anywhere
> > > online, i spotted a Pinarello Gavia recently and
> > > thought of doing more
> > > research before purchasing it, at the seat tube
> > > there's this columbus
> > > tubing which has a TRX sticker which i can't seem to
> > > find any info on,
> > > Could you could tell me anything about the tubing
> > > type and is GAVIA in
> > > the high, mid, or low range? Please guide me into
> > > which direction i
> > > should search for information, i have attached a
> > > picture of the decal
> > > as well, hope to hear from you guy soon, thanks !!
> > >
> > > Chen Luun Teo
> > > Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia