[CR]More about what we name Paint Finishes

(Example: Component Manufacturers)

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To: theonetrueBob@webtv.net
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:05:26 -0500
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cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]More about what we name Paint Finishes

<< If I understand correctly then, the blue finsh on the frame in the

following link COULD be described as either a "Flambouyant Blue" or a

"Blue Candy" or possibly even a "Transparent Blue" finish... (since it

appears to be a semi-transparent blue over a silver base).

http://www.cwo.com/~lunarlab/image8b.htm

But that finish definitely WOULD NOT be referred to as a "Luster", a

"Metallic", a "Metal Flake" or a "Candy Metallic" finish... Would that

be correct?

And, what I have heard referred to as a "Cromo-velo" [sp?] finish (with

regard to clear tints over a chromed finish), would look essentially

the same in appearance as the example in the link above...

and would ONLY be distinguished from it by having REAL chrome as the

base - rather than a smooth silver painted base? ...Correct? >>Hey Bob:

I am perhaps not the best person to answer this but I will give it a my spin:

The references to "Lustre", "Candy", "Pearl" & "Metallic" kind of refer to a production or relatively simple process, in or two repeatable steps in color coats...

Brian Baylis's finishes (and those of some other top painters we all know & love) are often involve the complex intertwining of many elements to yield an unusual final effect.

In this case, I would guess that he used a base of a very fine Pearl (small reflective particles) and then a translucent deep blue color coat ("Candy", "Flamboyant"") resulting in an unusually rich result somewhere in between "Candy" and "Pearl"...

You are correct in your assumption that "Chrome Velato" is "Candy" sprayed over a real chrome plated surface rather than over a sprayed metallic base coat.

And we needed to also clarify that "Pearl" is a reference to the iridescent whiteish mother-of-pearl mini flakes stirred into a clear coat, but also is broadly used as a reference for a range of "Micro mini metal flakes", to be contrasted to "metallics" ( "lustre" or "polychromatics") in general.....

And "metal flake" often refers to bigger reflective elements, which range from a pretty sparkly effect, all the way up to the somewhat grotesque (in my opinion) "Bass Boat metal flakes" that were popular in some circles a few years ago. These are relatively huge chunks of "metal" suspended in a necessarily super thick clear that obliviates all the underlying detail...

These paint effect names and references all are derived from USA custom car (and subsequently motorcycles) culture so are not going to be found in the descriptive content of a 1940s bike catalog, either British nor USA for that matter, as the Hot Rodding phenomenon was post WW2 and even then, slow to spread to the broader culture. Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA

-----Original Message----- From: theonetrueBob@webtv.net To: oroboyz@aol.com Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 2:25 AM Subject: Re: [CR]1949 Holdsworth Paint Finishes

Dale,

If I understand correctly then, the blue finsh on the frame in the following link COULD be described as either a "Flambouyant Blue" or a "Blue Candy" or possibly even a "Transparent Blue" finish... (since it appears to be a semi-transparent blue over a silver base).

http://www.cwo.com/~lunarlab/image8b.htm

But that finish definitely WOULD NOT be referred to as a "Luster", a "Metallic", a "Metal Flake" or a "Candy Metallic" finish... Would that be correct?

And, what I have heard referred to as a "Cromo-velo" [sp?] finish (with regard to clear tints over a chromed finish), would look essentially the same in appearance as the example in the link above... and would ONLY be distinguished from it by having REAL chrome as the base - rather than a smooth silver painted base? ...Correct?

Apologies to all for being so darned thick headed about all these finishes. Trying to FINALLY get it all sorted out. ~ Thanks!

Bob Hanson, Albuquerque, NM, USA

---------------------- Dale Brown wrote:

I am pretty certain, in British cycling jargon:

- "Enamel" refers to opaque paint finishes (in other words not metallic, not "candy apple, or translucent, etc., but straight up pure colors.)

- "Luster refers to metallics.

- "Flamboyant" refers to transluscent semi transparent color coats over a silver or gold metallic base coat, what we refer often to as "candy colors"