Tom Harriman wrote:- In my experience I find the old saying to be true, when loaded touring it's best to have the heaviest items at the lowest point on the bike. Maybe it depends what is meant by loaded touring but in my view you get the best handling with the luggage high ie in a Carradice camper longflap saddlebag. I have long cranks and long feet and to get heel clearance with panniers they have to be mounted so far back that the tail wags the dog. I guess this is just one more example of the Brits getting in right more by accident than design. Ray Green, Harrow, Middlesex