Re: [CR]re: ebay PX-10

Example: Framebuilding:Norris Lockley

Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:15:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <>
Subject: Re: [CR]re: ebay PX-10
To: "C. Andrews" <>,
In-Reply-To: <003f01c672c5$a97dde40$6401a8c0@oemcomputer>

Don't know why this particular PX-10 should offend anyone's sense of aesthetics. Neither Peugeot nor most of the high volume French manufacturers spent a lot of time finishing lug edges and Raleigh wasn't much different. It's nice to see lugs filed to super thin edges, and one rather expects it on a $2500 to $3000 KOF frame, but this PX-10 originally sold for about $250 complete. That was a hell of a bargain, and I've never seen any evidence that failure to file the lugs made the joint any less strong. I guess if you are obsessive about lug finishing, you just don't collect French bikes (exept Herse and Singer) or Raleighs. This is rather like abusing early 50's British sports cars for their Solex carburetors and Lucas electrics. Sure, this stuff was crap compared to Bosch and Weber, but affordable British sports cars made a much bigger social impact than the more elegant Ferraris and Maseratis. And PX-10 a much bigger impact than Masi.


Jerry Moos "Five Peugeots, three Raleighs, no Masis" Big Sping, TX

"C. Andrews" <> wrote: Robert Broderick wrote:

I am not in the habit of outing eBay auctions to this list, but in this particular instance I simply could not resist as this one is simply too good on too many levels. For all you Peugeot pundits and confirmed Francophiles:

eBay auction number 7240253678

Yes indeed, a vintage 1974 PX-10E whose seller purports it to have never


Actually, it looks like what it's described to be...right down to a set of Dubois lugs that appear to have been taken straight out of the box, brazed onto the tubes in question, and painted, with nary a file or even a little sandpaper to sully their charming shorelines.

I'll concede that the pristine graphics and paint and parts are kinda cool...but a level of workmanship that could easily be exceeded by a 6th grade shop class seems worth discussing.

I'd really like to know how it happened that the guys at Peugeot thought it was ok to do that. If I didn't know better, I'd swear it was an ironic comment on any and all finished lugs... it's as if they were saying "check it out. No workmanship *at all* and we can still sell the thing!"

To each their own...but really. I mean, c'mon. The lugs on that frame are disgraceful. And, in that period, all the PX-10s looked like that. How could any self-respecting CR member stand to look at them, let alone own them?

Charles Andrews SoCal

"The deeper I go in considering the vanities of popular reasoning, the lighter and more foolish I find them."

--Galileo Galilei