Eric wrote: << He mentioned seat stay top eyes (like for a rack?) >>
No, sorry, the terminolgy here is not universlally agreed upon... I meant the upper ends of the seat stays, the cosmetic approach used, be it a sold plug or cap, a flute, a fastback, a mitered to the rear of the seat lug, an angled "bologna" slice & plate, or ?..
This one is a pointed, tapered, convex flute.. not typical of Marinoni.
Most of the frame's features discussed thus far are very generic and could be found in many frames...
Dale Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA
-----Original Message----- From: ewgoforth@earthlink.net To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [CR]Please help ID this (Italian) 1980s frame
The 1980's white Torpados had Aelle-R tubing, the yellow ones had plain Aelle.
I'm pretty sure their top tube cable guides were different, not the double loop type.
Dale ruled out Marinoni, which was my guess. He mentioned seat stay top eyes (like for a rack?) I'm not seeing them in any of the pictures of this frame, but here's a Marinoni that has them:
http://www.flickr.com/
-Eric
-- Eric Goforth Raleigh, NC USA
FujiFish1@aol.com wrote:
> > Al,
> My only guess is that the "R" could stand for Aelle-R tubing. Some > Torpado frames from about 84-86, built with this tubing, have that sequence of > characters. The example you showed would stand for a 64cm (c-c) Aelle-R frame, > were it a Torpado, but there would also be another sequence of serial numbers > stamped under the b.b. too. > > Having now gone through my Torpado album files and looking at a few of > these Torpado frames, I must say that there are a LOT of similarities. But of > course, this could simply be due to the common ready made frame parts being used > then. I uploaded some photos I copied from an Ebay auction, that show the > underside of the b.b. as well as other similarities (such as the contour of the > seat stay cap, lug windows, etc.) fairly well. > http://www.wooljersey.com/
> > The seat stay bridge is different, notwithstanding the "M" pantographed > into it. I wonder if this frame was built under contract by Torpado, of even if > the reverse could be true ... that this "M" marque could have been a contract > builder for those Torpado bikes. Note that the b.b.'s look basically > identical, including cable guide placement, and that the "R" stampings are in the > same place. > Anyway, regardless of any Torpado connection, I think that Aelle-R is a > good possibility, and a point to consider...
> > Ciao,
> Mark Agree
> Southfield MI USA
> ~ ~ ~
> > > > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 19:09:32 -0700
> From: "Al Van Varick" <alvan519@cox.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Cc: alvan519@cox.net
> Cc: gregy@longrealty.com
> Subject: [CR]Please help ID this frame
> > Here is the link
> http://members.cox.net/
> > Al Van Varick
> Tucson, AZ
> (520) 207-6955
>
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