[CR]"Unusual" eBay auction of Masi

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To: emailprice@comcast.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:13:53 -0400
In-Reply-To: <000b01c77308$05223910$0a00a8c0@D4BXWK81>
From: <oroboyz@aol.com>
Subject: [CR]"Unusual" eBay auction of Masi

emailprice@comcast.net wrote: << To make things even more interesting, your friend didn't end up with the bike, I did and it stayed in the family. My aunt without notifying any of the family sold it at a garage sale and it appeared on ebay and though the CR link I saw the bike and long story short, after freaking out I contacted my aunt who contacted the ebay seller (The Ebay guy who bought it at her garage sale) and asked for the 'family' Masi back, as we all told her we would never talk to her again otherwise. He complied and she refund the money he gave her for it. >>

Let's see.. You say your aunt sold this bike to eBay guy at a garage sale.

It went up on eBay and a buyer exercised the Buy-it-now and bought it via eBay....

So how do you end up with the bike? Sounds to me like the eBay seller no longer owned that bike. Unless he reneged on the transaction.

Something doesn't sound kosher here... Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA -----Original Message----- From: emailprice@comcast.net To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org; brianbaylis@juno.com Sent: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [CR]ebay outing: cool Masi

Brian and all, To make things even more interesting, your friend didn't end up with the bike, I did and it stayed in the family. My aunt without notifying any of the family sold it at a garage sale and it appeared on ebay and though the CR link I saw the bike and long story short, after freaking out I contacted my aunt who contacted the ebay seller (The Ebay guy who bought it at her garage sale) and asked for the 'family' Masi back, as we all told her we would never talk to her again otherwise. He complied and she refund the money he gave her for it. Since I have a couple of Masi's (MC # 0806, the newest or latest Carlsbad built frame in Bob's registry and a 98 Corsa), and I race and collect vintage bikes, (Brian and I have corresponded in the past) she made me the new keeper of the heirloom. When visiting her, when I looked at the bike briefly in Ventura, it never dawned on me the frame number,and it was always hidden behind a bunch of crap in her garage. That was until it 'appeared' on Ebay and the frame number was brought up by Bob Hovey. I look forward to sharing the details with the CR gang and hope you Brian, Jim C. and anyone else who can give me any insight and knowledge you can remember about the frame and circumstances around Masi's America start-up. For what it's worth I used to live in Carlsbad and my Brother still does, wonderful city! Sincerely, John Price Albuquerque, NM USA

----- Original Message ----- From: <brianbaylis@juno.com> To: <BobHoveyGa@aol.com> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [CR]ebay outing: cool Masi

>
  >
  > Bob and all,
  >
  > This is an interesting situation. Even though I've been ridiculously
  > busy since even before the Framebuilders Show, which was BTW
  > outstanding; nonetheless I hear about these types of auctions, usually
  > from someone wanting some information or my advice or input. In this
  > case, I received a call from one of my regular friends and infoseekers.
  > He told me about the bike but wanted to be sure it was the real deal
  > and original paint and all that. I didn't even look at the auction nor
  > see the photos, since I was driving to work at the time. I told the
  > caller, hang up the phone and hit the buy it now button without further
  > delay or he will hate himself for the rest of his life. He did as I
  > suggested. He is the new owner of the bike. There is a network of
  > information available. Hopefully you are the one who calls the correct
  > person at the correct time and gets the correct advice, and just in
  > time. I'm sure within a few more minutes, if not seconds, that bike
  > would belong to someone else.
  >
  > Since the seller did OK on his purchase, and the buyer did well also;
  > this would be a rare case of good luck for the new owner even though it
  > came through eBay. Just the right circumstances and choices of action
  > to win the deal. It can happen!
  >
  > Brian Baylis
  > La Mesa, CA
  > Vintage Cycle Studios and Baylis Cycles are moving!
  >
  >
  > -- BobHoveyGa@aol.com wrote:
  >
  >
  > In a message dated 3/28/07 4:50:03 AM, Grant writes:
  >
  >
  >>
  >
  >> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:30:32 -0400
  >> From: Grant McLean <grant.mclean@sympatico.ca>
  >>
  >
  >> Wowie Zowie!!
  >> Glad it's too big for me, or I'd have cried myself to sleep for a mont
  > h.
  >> My favorite part of the seller's listing is:
  >> "I am not sure of the exact year of manufacture and I cannot find
  >> a serial number (unless it is 1.S1 as seen in photo #7)"
  >>
  >
  >> Yup, that "1" there would be a clue to something...
  >>
  >
  >> Grant McLean
  >> Toronto, Canada
  >>
  >
  >>
  >
  >
  >
  > Indeed.
  >
  > A few of us have been having an interesting off-list conversation about
  > this
  >
  > auction... If the seller had not put a "Buy it Now" on the bike,
  > there might
  >
  > have been a few individuals (myself for sure) who would have written
  > him and
  >
  > told him what he had. Just out of consideration.
  >
  >
  > In this discussion, the question was posed that if the seller had
  > posted the
  >
  > bike on the CR list instead of eBay, would he have had dozens of emails
  >
  >
  > telling him either not to sell it, or that his price was too low ... or
  > would those
  >
  > folks have been outnumbered by those reaching for their checkbooks?
  >
  > Most of
  >
  > us agreed that the former would occur, since this list has been, by and
  > large,
  >
  > all about fellowship and fairness and educating each other.
  >
  > But eBay's a whole 'nother deal... maybe I'm wrong, but I think that mos
  > t
  >
  > folks are very quick to write a seller when he has described something
  >
  > incorrectly in a way that places the object in a better light, but not
  > as likely to
  >
  > write when he has described an item in a way that would tend to
  > undervalue it and
  >
  > thereby benefit the astute bidder.
  >
  > When it comes to Masis, I tend to write the seller in either case, to
  > correct
  >
  > any glaring inconsistency whether it might be of benefit to the bidder
  > OR the
  >
  > seller. But in this case, the seller made that impossible because I wa
  > s
  >
  > dead certain that by the time he read my email the bike would be gone,
  > gone,
  >
  > gone.
  >
  > So when you don't have a friendly group of pals to help you out as he
  >
  > probably would have had if he had posted the bike on the list, the only
  > alternative
  >
  > is a few minutes of what many would term "due diligence," which in this
  > case
  >
  > could mean as little as typing a few words in Google and exploring the
  > results.
  >
  > Most sellers are willing to do this, at least with Masis, since I've
  > gotten
  >
  > dozens of emails from folks who have stumbled across my web site and
  > either
  >
  > want more info on a Masi they're selling or want permission to post my
  > link in
  >
  > their eBay description. Some might suggest that there might be too
  > much info
  >
  > on my site for the mere passerby (and I'll freely admit that the site
  > was not
  >
  > created for them, but for the more rabid Masiphile), but I still don't
  > see how
  >
  > it would take more than about five or ten minutes of skimming to discove
  > r
  >
  > both the year of his bike and the significance of a "1S1" serial number
  > (either
  >
  > on the USA Registry page or my article on US serial numbers).
  >
  >
  > So if you combine a lack of basic research with his "Buy It Now" which
  > might
  >
  > have discouraged others besides myself from dropping him a cautionary
  > email,
  >
  > it's probably safe to say that the seller deserved to get exactly the
  > amount of
  >
  > money he asked for and not the amount that the bike was really worth.
  >
  > Bob Hovey
  > Columbus, GA
  > http://bhovey.com/Masi/
  >
  >
  >
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