RE: [CR]Re: "Unusual" eBay auction of Masi

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From: "brian blum" <bbspokes@hotmail.com>
To: emailprice@comcast.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, oroboyz@aol.com
Subject: RE: [CR]Re: "Unusual" eBay auction of Masi
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:35:15 -0700


Who was the EBAY seller? Brian in Berkeley


>From: "John Price" <emailprice@comcast.net>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <oroboyz@aol.com>
>Subject: [CR]Re: "Unusual" eBay auction of Masi
>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:25:17 -0600
>
>Dale,
>Exactly, he reneged and apparently they are both ok with it due to the
>cirumstances.
>John Price
>Albuquerque, NM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: oroboyz@aol.com
> To: emailprice@comcast.net ; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 3:13 PM
> Subject: "Unusual" eBay auction of Masi
>
>
> emailprice@comcast.net wrote:
> << To make things even more interesting, your friend didn't end up
>with the bike, I did and it stayed in the family.
> My aunt without notifying any of the family sold it at a garage sale
>and it appeared on ebay and though the CR link I saw the bike and long
>story short, after freaking out I contacted my aunt who contacted the
>ebay seller (The Ebay guy who bought it at her garage sale) and asked
>for the 'family' Masi back, as we all told her we would never talk to
>her again otherwise. He complied and she refund the money he gave her
>for it. >>
>
> Let's see.. You say your aunt sold this bike to eBay guy at a garage
>sale.
>
> It went up on eBay and a buyer exercised the Buy-it-now and bought it
>via eBay....
>
> So how do you end up with the bike? Sounds to me like the eBay seller
>no longer owned that bike. Unless he reneged on the transaction.
>
> Something doesn't sound kosher here...
>
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, North Carolina USA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: emailprice@comcast.net
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org; brianbaylis@juno.com
> Sent: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]ebay outing: cool Masi
>
>
> Brian and all,
> To make things even more interesting, your friend didn't end up with
>the bike, I did and it stayed in the family.
> My aunt without notifying any of the family sold it at a garage sale
>and it appeared on ebay and though the CR link I saw the bike and long
>story short, after freaking out I contacted my aunt who contacted the
>ebay seller (The Ebay guy who bought it at her garage sale) and asked
>for the 'family' Masi back, as we all told her we would never talk to
>her again otherwise. He complied and she refund the money he gave her
>for it. Since I have a couple of Masi's (MC # 0806, the newest or latest
>Carlsbad built frame in Bob's registry and a 98 Corsa), and I race and
>collect vintage bikes, (Brian and I have corresponded in the past) she
>made me the new keeper of the heirloom. When visiting her, when I looked
>at the bike briefly in Ventura, it never dawned on me the frame
>number,and it was always hidden behind a bunch of crap in her garage.
>That was until it 'appeared' on Ebay and the frame number was brought up
>by Bob Hovey. I look forward to sharing the details with the CR gang and
>hope you Brian, Jim C. and anyone else who can give me any insight and
>knowledge you can remember about the frame and circumstances around
>Masi's America start-up. For what it's worth I used to live in Carlsbad
>and my Brother still does, wonderful city!
> Sincerely,
> John Price
> Albuquerque, NM USA
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <brianbaylis@juno.com>
> To: <BobHoveyGa@aol.com>
> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 12:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]ebay outing: cool Masi
>
> >
> >
> > Bob and all,
> >
> > This is an interesting situation. Even though I've been ridiculously
>
> > busy since even before the Framebuilders Show, which was BTW
> > outstanding; nonetheless I hear about these types of auctions,
>usually
> > from someone wanting some information or my advice or input. In this
>
> > case, I received a call from one of my regular friends and
>infoseekers.
> > He told me about the bike but wanted to be sure it was the real deal
>
> > and original paint and all that. I didn't even look at the auction
>nor
> > see the photos, since I was driving to work at the time. I told the
> > caller, hang up the phone and hit the buy it now button without
>further
> > delay or he will hate himself for the rest of his life. He did as I
> > suggested. He is the new owner of the bike. There is a network of
> > information available. Hopefully you are the one who calls the
>correct
> > person at the correct time and gets the correct advice, and just in
> > time. I'm sure within a few more minutes, if not seconds, that bike
> > would belong to someone else.
> >
> > Since the seller did OK on his purchase, and the buyer did well
>also;
> > this would be a rare case of good luck for the new owner even though
>it
> > came through eBay. Just the right circumstances and choices of
>action
> > to win the deal. It can happen!
> >
> > Brian Baylis
> > La Mesa, CA
> > Vintage Cycle Studios and Baylis Cycles are moving!
> >
> >
> > -- BobHoveyGa@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/28/07 4:50:03 AM, Grant writes:
> >
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:30:32 -0400
> >> From: Grant McLean <grant.mclean@sympatico.ca>
> >>
> >
> >> Wowie Zowie!!
> >> Glad it's too big for me, or I'd have cried myself to sleep for a
>mont
> > h.
> >> My favorite part of the seller's listing is:
> >> "I am not sure of the exact year of manufacture and I cannot find
> >> a serial number (unless it is 1.S1 as seen in photo #7)"
> >>
> >
> >> Yup, that "1" there would be a clue to something...
> >>
> >
> >> Grant McLean
> >> Toronto, Canada
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Indeed.
> >
> > A few of us have been having an interesting off-list conversation
>about
> > this
> >
> > auction... If the seller had not put a "Buy it Now" on the bike,
> > there might
> >
> > have been a few individuals (myself for sure) who would have written
>
> > him and
> >
> > told him what he had. Just out of consideration.
> >
> >
> > In this discussion, the question was posed that if the seller had
> > posted the
> >
> > bike on the CR list instead of eBay, would he have had dozens of
>emails
> >
> >
> > telling him either not to sell it, or that his price was too low ...
>or
> > would those
> >
> > folks have been outnumbered by those reaching for their checkbooks?
> >
> > Most of
> >
> > us agreed that the former would occur, since this list has been, by
>and
> > large,
> >
> > all about fellowship and fairness and educating each other.
> >
> > But eBay's a whole 'nother deal... maybe I'm wrong, but I think that
>mos
> > t
> >
> > folks are very quick to write a seller when he has described
>something
> >
> > incorrectly in a way that places the object in a better light, but
>not
> > as likely to
> >
> > write when he has described an item in a way that would tend to
> > undervalue it and
> >
> > thereby benefit the astute bidder.
> >
> > When it comes to Masis, I tend to write the seller in either case,
>to
> > correct
> >
> > any glaring inconsistency whether it might be of benefit to the
>bidder
> > OR the
> >
> > seller. But in this case, the seller made that impossible because I
>wa
> > s
> >
> > dead certain that by the time he read my email the bike would be
>gone,
> > gone,
> >
> > gone.
> >
> > So when you don't have a friendly group of pals to help you out as
>he
> >
> > probably would have had if he had posted the bike on the list, the
>only
> > alternative
> >
> > is a few minutes of what many would term "due diligence," which in
>this
> > case
> >
> > could mean as little as typing a few words in Google and exploring
>the
> > results.
> >
> > Most sellers are willing to do this, at least with Masis, since I've
>
> > gotten
> >
> > dozens of emails from folks who have stumbled across my web site and
>
> > either
> >
> > want more info on a Masi they're selling or want permission to post
>my
> > link in
> >
> > their eBay description. Some might suggest that there might be too
> > much info
> >
> > on my site for the mere passerby (and I'll freely admit that the
>site
> > was not
> >
> > created for them, but for the more rabid Masiphile), but I still
>don't
> > see how
> >
> > it would take more than about five or ten minutes of skimming to
>discove
> > r
> >
> > both the year of his bike and the significance of a "1S1" serial
>number
> > (either
> >
> > on the USA Registry page or my article on US serial numbers).
> >
> >
> > So if you combine a lack of basic research with his "Buy It Now"
>which
> > might
> >
> > have discouraged others besides myself from dropping him a
>cautionary
> > email,
> >
> > it's probably safe to say that the seller deserved to get exactly
>the
> > amount of
> >
> > money he asked for and not the amount that the bike was really
>worth.
> >
> > Bob Hovey
> > Columbus, GA
> > http://bhovey.com/Masi/
> >
> >
> >
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