Peter, back in the day (like the 1930s for instance) a pro rider would transfer his leather saddle and handlebars (lots of pro riders would have bars made for themselves) from bike to bike. I see no reason not to use an older leather saddle on a '83 CIOCC as Tony suggests.
A Brooks Select (1980s deluxe version of a Professional) would be appropriate. Even though Eddy Merckx rode leather covered plastic saddles his entire career, there are pictures of him racing with an Ottusi modified Brooks when he was suffering from a large cyst.
Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, CA
On Apr 8, 2007, at 12:54 PM, Tony Colegrave wrote:
> Peter, you don't have to settle for 'one of those awful leather-
> covered plastic things' for your '83 Ciocc, you could settle for
> one of those awful Brooks leather-covered non-plastic ones (Colt?).
> Seriously, though, although Ideale had probably finished by 1983
> and most Brooks stuff was pretty awful by then, it should be
> possible to find a Brooks 'Professional', dated '83, which will
> satisfy? A team Pro., perhaps, if you want something with rivets
> that twinkle? After nearly a quarter-century, it should be possible
> to distinguish the good'uns from the majority - why not ask Tim
> Danforth, he must have a shed-full by now?
> (This won't make much sense to most of you, as Peter responded off-
> list.)
>
> Thanks, Chuck. <grin>
>
> Tony Colegrave, Northiam, Great(?) Britain.
>
>
>> From: "P.C. Kohler" <kohl57@starpower.net>
>> To: "Tony Colegrave" <tony_colegrave@hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [CR]Brooks Swift saddle intro date?
>> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 09:44:24 -0400
>>
>> Hi Tony
>>
>> Dammit is right! I thought this was way off-topic. I was trying to
>> justify it for my '83 Ciocc. Oh well, I'll have to be prototypical
>> and use one of those awful leather-covered plastic things that
>> were all the rage then...
>>
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
>> Kind rgds
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Colegrave"
>> <tony_colegrave@hotmail.com>
>> To: <kohl57@starpower.net>
>> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 5:13 AM
>> Subject: RE: [CR]Brooks Swift saddle intro date?
>>
>>
>>> Peter, I think that the Swift was introduced in late 1993/early
>>> 1994. I know for sure that the female version, Finesse, was
>>> introduced on 1 September, 1995, at which time the Swift had been
>>> available for eighteen months or so. This applys to U.K. market -
>>> it could have been earlier, or later, elsewhere, of course. Off-
>>> topic by about ten years, anyway, dammit!
>>> Tony Colegrave, Northiam, United(?) Kingdom.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: "P.C. Kohler" <kohl57@starpower.net>
>>>> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>>>> Subject: [CR]Brooks Swift saddle intro date?
>>>> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:42:49 -0400
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know when Brooks introduced their "Swift" saddle?
>>>>
>>>> Peter Kohler
>>>> Washington DC USA
>>>>
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