[CR]Was: respray costs. Now CR e-list behavior...

(Example: Production Builders:LeJeune)

To: lowiemanuel@yahoo.ca
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:57:08 -0400
In-Reply-To: <545537.60154.qm@web50505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
From: <oroboyz@aol.com>
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]Was: respray costs. Now CR e-list behavior...

<< ...USA'ians factor in ridiculous health care & education

costs, plus (unwittingly) huge costs of justice & bulging

prison systems, environmental protection regimes (a good

thing) and the ongoing price of far-flung wars in far-off

lands. ...(snip)...

Emanuel Lowi

Montreal, Canada (neither USA nor UK, thank G.)>>

OK, Emanuel, now you are going to sit quietly when folks start delivering anti-Canadian zingers?

No, I think most people will be too polite to insult you as they perceive you have insulted them....

What does this tell us about the relative behavior of parties??

Dale Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA http://www.classicrendezvous.com -----Original Message----- From: lowiemanuel@yahoo.ca To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:14 AM Subject: [CR]Re: re: respray costs.

Peter Naiman wrote:
>
> Charles; I've heard of Mario's work when searching for
> renovations for my bikes before they come to the U.S.
> Work in the U.K. is substantially less, but then you deal
> with shipping costs, but since I purchase most Hetchins
> from the UK, I have the work done in the U.K. My 38 Anglo
> Continental had chrome work done on the front fork, plus
> rear stays, with a two colour scheme with full boxlining
> and transfer application at a total cost of under $600.
> For the same work over here, it would have been atleast
> $1000 or more. Not sure why the difference in costs, but
> labor in the UK may be substantially less, shops may not
> have to deal with as much government regulation etc, and
> other factors.
>
> As for Mario Vaz, I've heard varying reports from
> excellent work to fair at best, but everyones
> expectations can be differ. My understanding is that his
> work is very inexpensive. Mario may work at very low
> overhead but make it up in large volume. Even though his
> prices are very low, if he owns his building or his rent
> is cheap, and other overhead is very low, he may be
> perfectly content to charge his current rates.
>
> As for rates charges in the U.S., each shops overhead
> costs differ, with location and other factors affecting
> overhead costs. In general I've found the prices in CA
> much higher than shops in the Midwest, but I'm also
> assuming that operating in CA is probably much more than
> in Ohio with rent most likely the biggest factor, but
> labor is probably higher on the Coast than most midwest
> areas.
>

Addendum to Peter's post (and confirming his experience):

USA'ians factor in ridiculous health care & education costs, plus (unwittingly) huge costs of justice & bulging prison systems, environmental protection regimes (a good thing) and the ongoing price of far-flung wars in far-off lands.

Do not kid thyselves: these things add to the price of vintage bicycle restorations. There is no free lunch.

Excellent American paint job = nearly cost of a whole frame UK-side now.

Some day soon we may all be ordering fully chromed fancy lugged butted steel custom frames from China @ $200 each, by the dozen.

Emanuel Lowi Montreal, Canada (neither USA nor UK, thank G.)

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