[CR]Re: [Frame] Major Announcement from San Diego, CA

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From: <"brianbaylis@juno.com">
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 15:25:01 GMT
To: elabowitz@gmail.com
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
cc: jpweigle@sbcglobal.net
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]Re: [Frame] Major Announcement from San Diego, CA

Ethan,

I guess there are a number of things that need to be clairfied

regarding the co-op. And I actually have sort of mixed a few things

together and not filled in all the details. Allow me to correct these

oversights.

First, many think "I have started a new venture". That is not correct

at all. I am part of a group for which I use the trem "we", that is co- operativley splitting the expenses of a building to house a paint

stray booth and provide some space for a builder or two to make frames

on their spare time. It is simply an effecient way for several

builders down here to help each other operate. The key element in this

is that each person involved has a "regular" job or is in school

nearing a docturate. Framebuilding is a passion and a hobby they want

to persue for the craft and the expression, not as primary income to

make a living. This is a different type of building than the full time

pro does. You have to trust me on this. They think and operate in

different ways, and they produce a different type of product, as you

will see in time. My excitement is in being part of this group in the

capacity as the "old dog" from whom they can learn lots of tricks

from. Someone with many years of experience. The magic happens when

young men with a non-commercial focus are turned loose to develop

their own ideas. I'm excited for them. I see the return of

framebuilding as a craft the way it was when I began back in the early

70's; an interest in tradition and creativity within practical bounds

of the function of a bicycle frame. We want to produce a "let the work

speak for itself" school of framebuilding. Honestly some of us out

here (which does happen to include a LARGE number if 30 year plus

veterans of framebuilding who just do their work, don't make a big

deal on the internet, and don't have time to be putting up photos of

everything they do, and say "look and me and let's talk about it").

Seriously, some of you guys are down on those of us who actually spend

our time making bikes instead of talking about it and playing show and

tell. Not all of us has a laptop computer hanging from a gold chain

around our neck that they can check for the latest developements on

all the lists and forums.

The "new venture" you people speak of is not mine. I'm still just

trying to get back to just framebuilding. That has been my intention

and goal for many years now. Carlos Martell, my painting apprentice

for Vintage Cycle Studios is starting a paint business. He will be

doing the type of restorations I used to do myself. Each

painter/restorer has a certain style and specialty. Carlos will be

doing what I used to do. Try to get the jobs as authentic as possible

(without getting too rediculous), get the paint on durable and thin,

turn the job over as soon as you can. What happened at VCS was we took

a lot of work on in the beginning, but my original partner didn't take

to the paint biz and went back to a "real" job. That left me buried

and behind the 8 ball from the beginning. I'm still not finished

digging out. Carlos is being "coached" and the first thing is to be

selective and not get too many jobs in the shop at once. Carlos is

also planning on taking on help so the work can flow through the shop

effeciently, which requires a number of people. I never had help

because I never wanted it. Carlos has a more business oriented plan. I

am basically incapable of really running a business. I can do the

work, I just don't have the stomach for the business end of it. I will

have a role in the paint operation doing whatever Carlos and whoever

he gets to work for him can't do, until Carlos knows everything. I may

spend two days a week with the paint crew.

The final thing is that we are forming a group to represent

framebuilders and painters here in San Diego. This is the group whose

philosophy and principals shall be established as what we feel is a

good model for custom handmade builders to follow. Others are free to

do the same. This is still the United States of America, and if

someone feels threatened by our principals, and feels we do not have

the right to express them, especially if we are willing to live by our

standards; then I think you need to take a look at what you believe.

Furthermore, there are bound to be two sides to each issue, and

weather I happen to be right or wrong, I still have the right to

express my opinion and/or use the forums to communicate my message,

same as everyone else. I get the feeling only one type of opinion is

welcome on these groups.

Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA

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