RE: [CR]Spoke Tying Wire

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From: "David Toppin" <dave@pelletizer.com>
To: "'Steven M. Johnson'" <grisha2@juno.com>
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Subject: RE: [CR]Spoke Tying Wire
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 19:49:13 -0400
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I am doing it to keep a period look, plus I like the idea of a broken spoke not causing a header. I like stiff light riding bikes too. I'm not sure if it translates too well to the later bikes that the CR list is generally about, but there is a huge difference between a radial spoked Expert Columbia and a tangentially spoked Columbia Light Roadster, Victor, Singer, Rudge (which is my main rider), New Rapid ( a 58" one of which prompted my original question, I wasa putting together its wheel today). The Expert kind of rides like a big durable tank, the other bikes ride more light and nimble and tight. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here. But I also figure you guys probably didn't know there was that much of a difference in highwheels and the way the ride.

Here is what can happen when bad things occur:

http://revver.com/video/31941

Fast freespinning descents are not really a good idea. A Czech guy did the Tour de France on the day after the actual event each day, nearly killed himself. I have the story in a word document if anyone wants to see it. It's very interesting, he ended up finishing with a broken shoulder and he had to be helped up on the bike the last couple days..

http://www.radio.cz/en/article/68906/limit

Czech postman, 48, completes Tour de France on penny farthing bicycle Josef Zimovcak, photo: CTKJosef Zimovcak, photo: CTK Czech Josef Zimovcak has succeeded in completing the Tour de France on an old-fashioned penny farthing bicycle. Zimovcak almost had to quit after a bad fall on a mountain stage left him with a broken rib and jaw, but got back in the saddle, riding most days until around midnight and rising at six every morning. Zimovcak, who is 48 and a postman, said he planned to treat himself to an ice-cream in Paris, after completing the 3607 km Tour.

And if you want to see a video of a Wheelmen demonstration and meet, go here. It's complete with hobby horse racing and trick riding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCbudWuouvI

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Subject: Re: [CR]Spoke Tying Wire


-- John Betmanis wrote:


> Brandt also claims that tying and soldering does nothing to measurably increase the lateral stiffness of the wheel ant is likely a throwback from the high wheeler days when it would keep broken spokes from flailing around and causing damage.

+ Keeping the spokes together on a 700c wheel might be a good thing too. Low count spoke wheels and for thin spokes, I believe in it. Does Jobst's model take into account all conditions a wheel might encounter?

Kind of like the dowel in the steerer tube. It might help avoid catastrophe at failure time.
> So, basically, you would be tying and soldering to give your vintage bike the proper period look. Of course, some people say Brandt is an idi ot.

+ The person who started the thread is a high wheel rider. I saw a Wheelman demo that that he was part of back in the 1980s. My memory on the event is hazy. I still remember that I was darn impressed, and real glad I was a safety rider. I have ridden a penny farthing before, but I was real careful and real slow. No legs over the handlebars gymnastics, and fast free spinning downhills for me.

The Thomas Stevens books are online, and I think I would have stuck to a horse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Stevens_(cyclist) (Project Gutenberg)

Steven Johnson, Shiloh, IL

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