Maybe someone on the list knows what happened to bicycle component manufact urer Altenburger Co.? Absorbed by Sachs? Just gone out of business?
A quick Google shows a number of current & unrelated (presumably) companies with that name including a very cool beer brewery...
As with Ballila of Italy, what most of us saw in the early 1970s was the sa d last products, mostly brakes on cheaper model "10 speeds". But obviously i n the 1950-60s this marque was producing "fancy" goods. Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA http://www.classicrendezvous.com -----Original Message----- From: schmidi@gaponline.de To: oroboyz@aol.com; paul@wilsondesigns.net; kwallace@cableone.net; Classic rendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Mon, 21 May 2007 1:09 PM Subject: AW: [CR]Very interesting 50's Cinelli and time lines
I am really not that sure about the Altenburger dating. I found reference on the net for a 62 bike having a complete Altenburger Gruppo. No pictures t hough. So that might be a clue. I have hardly ever seen this parts here in g ermany which may have led to the conclusion they are earlier. I see the brak es a lot on all sorts of old bikes but never the shifters and derailleurs. S ame goes for the hubs - i have never seen them and i check out every old bik e I pass. French hubs and derailleurs are a lot more common. Someone once to ld me the French in the day were what the Japanese were later (Shimano) - se lling good parts for reasonable prices whereas italian parts like campy were a lot more expensive then. Dale - you should definitely add this kind of st uff to the CR site. Regards Michael Schmid Oberammergau Germany Tel.: +49 8821 798790 Fax.:+49 8821 798791 mail: schmid@zunterer.com http://www.zunterer. com -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: oroboyz@aol.com [mailto:oroboyz@aol.com] Gesendet: Montag, 21. Mai 2007 17:40 An: schmidi@gaponline.de; paul@wilsondesigns.net; kwallace@cableone.net; Cl assicrendezvous@bikelist.org Betreff: Re: [CR]Very interesting 50's Cinelli and time lines
<< The dating is really difficult but the Altenburger gruppo says early fi fties. >>
Interesting...
I do not recall seeing advertisements in magazines that would established t he time frame for these Altenburger components. Does anyone have that? Scans available?
I would like to add stuff like that to the CR web site. Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA http://www.classicrendezvous.com
-----Original Message----- From: schmidi@gaponline.de To: paul@wilsondesigns.net; kwallace@cableone.net; Classicrendezvous@bikeli st.org Sent: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:03 AM Subject: AW: [CR]Very interesting 50's Cinelli and time lines
This is one of the coolest Cinellis I have seen so far. As far as my judgement goes it should be a B-Model which is indicated by the flat fork-crown. The dating is really difficult but the Altenburger gruppo says early fifties. My B-model has the older lugs (pointed) but no oil port hole and simplex dropouts. So now I am completely confused about the age. I just admired the hubs with the unique altenburger logo cut into the flanges. Red anodising seems to be their trademark. Datewise it just tells us - You can not date them correctly, Cinelli used whatever was around. I still hope a listmember will get it so we can see some more and better pictures.
Regards
Michael Schmid Germany Oberammergau Tel.: +49 8821 798790 Fax.:+49 8821 798791 mail: schmid@zunterer.com http://www.zunterer.com
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] Im Auftrag von Dr. Paul J.Wilson Gesendet: Montag, 21. Mai 2007 16:15 An: Ken Wallace; CR Betreff: [CR]Very interesting 50's Cinelli and time lines
Hi Ken, Steven & CR,
I've come to realize that lots of this Cinelli history cannot always be traced to an exact time line. Nonetheless, some history can be traced, and I am not knowledgeable enough to know which is which. And so, the Cinelli we talk about here has no pointed head lugs, yet alleges that it is a 50's bike. About what time line did pointed head lugs occur.? Were non-pointed head lugs available to be used on 50's frames?
Also about what time line did drilling of fork stiffeners and lugs begin?
Finally, the fork of this Cinelli is not sloping, what are time lines concerning Cinelli fork designs?
Comments from all appreciated.
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At 5:54 AM -0700 5-21-07, Ken Wallace wrote:
>It's nearly identical to my silver 1964 Cinelli, except mine does
>not have the colored Altenburger components and has Sheffield pedals.
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>On May 20, 2007, at 9:35 PM, The Maaslands wrote:
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>>For those of you who have become fixated with Cinelli and believe that
>>you have understood something about serial numbers or other build
>>characteristics that can assure a particular build date or period, I
>>believe this bike will blow all of your preconceptions away:
>>http://ebay.com/<blah>
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>>On this Cinelli, which I believe to be a variant of the 'B' it becomes
>>absolutely certain that Cinelli did not build 'catalog' stock bikes,
>>but rather was amenable to build everything to order. So you might as
>>well stop trying to use today's logic to second guess the year of
>>production of a given frame by serial number, or even build specifics.
>>With less than 1000 frames being built in any given year, Cinelli
>>would have been able to build every bike differently.
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>>By the way, I am presently the high bidder on this bike but expect to
>>quickly be outbid.
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>>Steven Maasland
>>Moorestown, NJ
>>USA
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