Re: [CR]chrome condor


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To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR]chrome condor
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 13:18:10 -0400
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From: <tonythreerings@aol.com>


Dale and list,

To clarify: seeing Matthew's posting about the Condor, I called the owner. My first 2 questions were 'is the bike still for sale?' and 'would you ship it to California?' He said yes to both. We chatted pleasantly about the bike for a while; I asked if he took Paypal or a credit card; he said no, send a check, and gave me his address, and said he would call (at my suggestion) a bike shop 2 blocks from his home to see the cost of packing and shipping. I offered to do a wire transfer on Tuesday when the banks opened, but his wife, to whom I was then speaking, said no, the check would be fine.

I sent a check on Friday.

Late last night I saw Bruce's post. I was mighty pissed. Called the owner this AM? and they confirmed that they decided to take the cash in hand (Bruce had offered $50 more than they were asking, which is what they'd agreed to sell to me for). I told them they were unethical, why didn't they call me to match the offer or get someone local to act as my agent, etc, even as I knew I was wasting my time--they'd sold the bike.

Then I contacted Bruce to see if he'd sell. As I told him, I don't really blame him--he is under no obligation to protect my interests. I blame the seller.

They told me they'll send my check back when they get it.

Aaron Lipstadt Hollywood, CA

-----Original Message----- From: oroboyz@aol.com To: breaches@gmail.com; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Sun, 27 May 2007 9:34 am Subject: Re: [CR]chrome condor

Wow, my first post caused quite a stir here . Pretty funny?

actually . I've been accused of being dirty, told that the bike doesn't fit?

me by someone i've never met, and received about 10 not so nice emails. So?

to clarify, I have screwed nobody . I was an interested party who was called?

to get the bike after the first person showed up with a check. The other?

person was in CA and Bill and Marlyss did not want to have to ship the bike.?

They wanted to sell local.

Hey Barry:

Thanks for trying to address this issue.

But it's not actually funny to us, people take the ethics of buying & selling very seriously. I certainly didn't accuse you of anything. But I did hope that you would help the others understand how things went down. The same logic and sense of fair play that you must use in your bike shop business would apply here.

You say, "I was an interested party who was called?

to get the bike after the first person showed up with a check. "

Do you mean you learned that a check was not acceptable means of payment to this couple? They asked for cash up front? They would not wait for the buyer to go obtain cash?

So by saying an "interested party" you had offered to buy it if things fell through with other offers? That is a reasonable position for you...

Obviously this is yet another case where amateur sellers are not capable of acting in a business-like manner and therefore things go afowl. Can you imagine a situation where you or I as bike shop owners agreed to sell & & ship something to a customer, then backed out of the agreement because it was too much trouble or someone offered us more? It would be ethically reprehensible to us and our customers alike.

Anyway, obviously it was not of your doing and more that of the sellers' inability to step up to the responsibilty of selling a sought after object. Don't take any off list messages personally, just be on the up-and-up and you will find many wonderful folks on this forum!

Thanks Dale

Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA http://www.classicrendezvous.com

-----Original Message----- From: bmaster flex <breaches@gmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:07 pm Subject: [CR]chrome condor

Hi again. Wow, my first post caused quite a stir here . Pretty funny?

actually . I've been accused of being dirty, told that the bike doesn't fit?

me by someone i've never met, and received about 10 not so nice emails. So?

to clarify, I have screwed nobody . I was an interested party who was called?

to get the bike after the first person showed up with a check. The other?

person was in CA and Bill and Marlyss did not want to have to ship the bike.?

They wanted to sell local. Honestly, I feel bad for Bill and Marlys, very?

nice people in their 70's who didn't look like they needed any money. I?

guessed this by where they lived and their beautiful apartment. They were?

people who posted on craigslist- not CR list or even Ebay. It appears that?

they have recieved quite a few not so nice phone calls as well. I knew?

nobody involved or anything about pending transactions other than what I?

stated . I think people are acting pretty childish. This was pretty happy?

moment for me and now its getting kinda ugly.? ?

I hope people can see past this and move on . The bike is amazing , fits me?

well, and will be well loved . I have some similar interests to you all, and?

I hope that every time I take a step i'm not put on trial . This list?

appears to be the best source of info around so please maybe be a little?

kinder.? ?

Lastly, I did get a few kind emails from people on the list so thank you ..? ?

Barry Scott?

Brooklyn, NY?
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