Anyone who shows up with a check expecting a seller to take it has to be out of his mind. I have no idea what happened on this Condor but in my eyes the first one to show up with the cash in a situation like this wins. If I didn't have enough cash with me I'd leave a deposit, get a bill of sale and come back with the cash.. If you are trying to buy a bike and expect someone to ship it you are going to be in a weaker position that the local guy who is willing to show up with cash.
I bought a bike once, an Eagle highwheel in Stamford CT where it was built 100 years before. It has never left the city of its birth. A guy from CA had flown out to take a look at it, wanted it, but apparently had a problem getting his bank to send the funds. He went back to CA to get it sorted out. In the meantime, I came along and gave the guy what he was looking for. The guy from CA was pissed at me and I didn't even know he had been there. Nor would I have cared. It's not my fault he didn't secure the bike with some kind of deposit or agreement.
I make deals for a living, used machinery, and anything but a wire transfer into my account means the deal is not done. Believe it or not, many people who promise you they are going to buy something never come through. A seller is nuts to hold someone for something, particularly if they have no previous experience with the buyer.
Car dealers say "buyers or liars" and it tends to hold true...
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-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of oroboyz@aol.com Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 12:35 PM To: breaches@gmail.com; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]chrome condor
Wow, my first post caused quite a stir here . Pretty funny?
actually . I've been accused of being dirty, told that the bike doesn't fit?
me by someone i've never met, and received about 10 not so nice emails. So?
to clarify, I have screwed nobody . I was an interested party who was called?
to get the bike after the first person showed up with a check. The other?
person was in CA and Bill and Marlyss did not want to have to ship the bike.?
They wanted to sell local.
Hey Barry:
Thanks for trying to address this issue.
But it's not actually funny to us, people take the ethics of buying & selling very seriously. I certainly didn't accuse you of anything. But I did hope that you would help the others understand how things went down. The same logic and sense of fair play that you must use in your bike shop business would apply here.
You say, "I was an interested party who was called?
to get the bike after the first person showed up with a check. "
Do you mean you learned that a check was not acceptable means of payment to this couple? They asked for cash up front? They would not wait for the buyer to go obtain cash?
So by saying an "interested party" you had offered to buy it if things fell through with other offers? That is a reasonable position for you...
Obviously this is yet another case where amateur sellers are not capable of acting in a business-like manner and therefore things go afowl. Can you imagine a situation where you or I as bike shop owners agreed to sell & & ship something to a customer, then backed out of the agreement because it was too much trouble or someone offered us more? It would be ethically reprehensible to us and our customers alike.
Anyway, obviously it was not of your doing and more that of the sellers' inability to step up to the responsibilty of selling a sought after object. Don't take any off list messages personally, just be on the up-and-up and you will find many wonderful folks on this forum!
Thanks Dale
Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA http://www.classicrendezvous.com
-----Original Message----- From: bmaster flex <breaches@gmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:07 pm Subject: [CR]chrome condor
Hi again. Wow, my first post caused quite a stir here . Pretty funny?
actually . I've been accused of being dirty, told that the bike doesn't fit?
me by someone i've never met, and received about 10 not so nice emails. So?
to clarify, I have screwed nobody . I was an interested party who was called?
to get the bike after the first person showed up with a check. The other?
person was in CA and Bill and Marlyss did not want to have to ship the bike.?
They wanted to sell local. Honestly, I feel bad for Bill and Marlys, very?
nice people in their 70's who didn't look like they needed any money. I?
guessed this by where they lived and their beautiful apartment. They were?
people who posted on craigslist- not CR list or even Ebay. It appears that?
they have recieved quite a few not so nice phone calls as well. I knew?
nobody involved or anything about pending transactions other than what I?
stated . I think people are acting pretty childish. This was pretty happy?
moment for me and now its getting kinda ugly.? ?
I hope people can see past this and move on . The bike is amazing , fits me?
well, and will be well loved . I have some similar interests to you all, and?
I hope that every time I take a step i'm not put on trial . This list?
appears to be the best source of info around so please maybe be a little?
kinder.? ?
Lastly, I did get a few kind emails from people on the list so thank you ..? ?
Barry Scott?
Brooklyn, NY? ?
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