Yes, that's what I wrote: 70's P-13s (with the exception perhaps of some ear lier transitional models) do not have eyelets, while touring P-10s and P-15s do have eyelets. The frames that do not differentiate are earlier ones: late 60s road racing models have eyelets (at least ones I've seen) and braze-on giudes under the top tubes, plus the fork rake of the later P-10s, and I believe the longer c hainstays as well, making them the equivalent of what would later become the touring models. The P-13s were gradually differentiated away from the touri ng and earlier racing frames in about 1971-72. I have heard that both versions of the decal tend to show up in the same tim e periods, but that's not really my bag. My '73 does have the Schwinn 531 de cal.
-----Original Message----- From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <email@example.com> To: EdVintage63@aol.com; FujiFish1@aol.com Cc: firstname.lastname@example.org Sent: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 1:03 pm Subject: Re: [CR]Paramounts, chrome and otherwise
I checked my 1973 (or maybe it's 1972) and my 1975 chrome Paramount P-13's. Neither has any fender eyelets. So that is one definite di fference between the P-15 and P-13, at least in that era.
BTW, neither of these bikes (nor I think a third waiting to be sorted out) h as the special Schwinn version of the Reynolds 531 decal, as shown on the CR site:
Anyone know what year Schwinn actually used the special 531 decal?
Big Spring, TX
Forgot to mention fender eyelets. They are one of the features that differentiate the 70s touring from racing models, i.e. touring frames have ' em and the P-13's don't. I believe earlier road racing models, i.e. late 60s, did h ave the Campy eyelets. Some of the "transitional" P-13's have them as well. As for the geometry, in the late 60's, you could order a made-to-measure frame at extra cost. I was speaking of the regular-priced, non-special order
frames, in which case I believe that if you ordered a touring or racing fram e, you were getting the same thing frame-wise: geometry, braze-on cable guides,
fork rake. Dale's frame is surely a custom order.
Ed Granger Lancaster, PA, USA
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