On Jul 7, 2007, at 4:39 PM, Tam Pham wrote:
> On 7/7/07, Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net > wrote:
> Another correction...
> < http://blog.honeyee.com/
> cinellibluestembadge1_2-
> thumb.jpg>
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> Here's a photo of an actual cloisonne Cinelli badge.
>
>
> Chuck,
>
> The stem badge in that photo is identical to the stem badge (which
> was bought from Steven Maasland) on the far right in my photo. Its
> enameling process seems to be the same as the bigger 57mm head
> badge to the left of it but unfortunately the lighting in my photo
> doesn't show the glassy looks properly.
>
> Anyways, I think in the true sense of cloisonne these badges do not
> comply. A key factor seems to be that the somewhat specialized act
> of creating partitions (ie. cloisons) is integral to the process of
> creating cloisonne pieces. The Cinelli badges are merely *cast*
> pieces filled with frit/enamel.
>
> It's all semantics really and as long as we know what we're talking
> about it's all good by me.
>
> Tam Pham
> Huntington Beach, CA - USA
In the true sense it doesn't matter how the partitions are made. They can be made in a casting process, a stamping process, or an etching process. When the word cloisonne is used by the general public they would be referring to something inlayed with fired translucent or opaque glass, not paint.
The Cinelli badges filled in with paint I would not call cloisonne; I'd call those painted head badges. The fired glass filled in Cinelli badges I would call cloisonne head badges.
But that would just be what I would call them when describing the two styles of badges to someone else.
Chuck Schmidt
South Pasadena, CA USA
http://www.velo-retro.com (reprints, t-shirts & timelines)