Hello all, I have put in auction on ebay De Rosa decals Italian bicycle and others (Bianchi, Dei, Pinarello, Legnano, Pogliaghi) You can see it on:
Best Regards
Giorgio Panciroli
Reggio Emilia
Italia
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> 1. Re: La Vittelloise Bidon Tour de France 1952
> 2. WTB : One Superbe / Campy Brake-Lever Clamp (Harvey Sachs)
> 3. Raleigh headset wrenches (David Bean)
> 4. Re: ebay outing: de rosa 40th anniversary one-off frame
> (Jerry Prigmore)
> 5. Re: ebay outing: de rosa 40th anniversary one-off frame
> (Kurt Sperry)
> 6. Re: ebay outing: de rosa 40th anniversary one-off frame
> (KO Kevin)
> 7. Pogliaghi Pista Bottom Bracket Questions
> 8. A surfeit of Allegros (Steve Maas)
> 9. Re: A surfeit of Allegros (Chuck Schmidt)
> 10. Re: Pogliaghi Pista Bottom Bracket Questions (Fred Rednor)
> 11. Pic of the Day - Refills (Aldo Ross)
> 12. Pic of the Day Special - La Vittelloise Bottles (Aldo Ross)
> 13. Re: A surfeit of Allegros (Steve Maas)
> 14. suntour bar-con springs; now heat helps (MARK)
> 15. Re: @jerry moos: you HAVE to be kidding. You are, right?
> (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos)
> 16. Re: A surfeit of Allegros (Chuck Schmidt)
>
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> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:34:22 EDT
> From: FujiFish1@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]La Vittelloise Bidon Tour de France 1952
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> How do we (they) know that the bottle is from 1952? I was super lucky a
> few
> years ago to grab one off Ebay for under $10. It is full plastic, with a
> twine cap strap, and is (was) clearly dated "TOUR 1954". This one Chuck
> outed
> then, must be near the end of the run for the aluminum La Vittelloise Tour
> bidon.
>
>
> Here's mine from '54:
> <http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/fujifish1/MarksVintage/Torpado/Corsa_1955
> _Gran_Sport/Torp55GranSport52LtBlu02.jpg.>
> As usual, click on the "double exposure" looking squares above the center
> of
> the pic for a MUCH larger and clearer view.
>
> Ciao,
> Mark Agree
> Southfield MI USA
> ~ ~ ~
>
>
>
> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:49:16 -0700
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: CR RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]La Vittelloise Bidon Tour de France 1952
>
> This ought to be interesting I said to myself...
>
> Item number: 150142915160
> http://ebay.com/
> France-1952_W0QQitemZ150142915160QQihZ005QQcategoryZ56197QQtcZphotoQQrdZ
> 1QQcmdZViewItem>
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, CA USA
> http://www.velo-retro.com (reprints, t-shirts & timelines)
>
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> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:11:00 -0400
> From: Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net>
> To: gillies@cs.ubc.ca,
> Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]WTB : One Superbe / Campy Brake-Lever Clamp
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>
> Don Gilles wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm looking to purchase the above-mentioned item ( I believe that
> both types are identical, please correct me if I'm wrong ). This is
> for a set of 1st-generation Suntour Superbe brake levers. If you have
> a spare clamp in your parts box, could you please send me an email, if
> you're willing to sell/trade it, thanx.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> If memory serves, I've been able to adapt a Mafac Racer clamp and bolt
> to do the same job... Pretty much invisible if you tape the bars.
>
> harvey sachs
> mcLean va
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:32:27 -0400
> From: "David Bean" <beandk@rcn.com>
> To: "Classic Rendezvous (E-mail)" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Raleigh headset wrenches
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> For the adjustable race, I applied a file to a 40mm Park wrench. I don't
> think the Raleigh multi tool has an opening for that size.
>
> David Bean
> Arlington, MA
> beandk at are-see-enn dot com
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:38:17 -0700
> From: "Jerry Prigmore" <robinjer@hotmail.com>
> To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]ebay outing: de rosa 40th anniversary one-off frame
> Message-ID: <BAY122-F4093F24B8A05A7881140BACAF70@phx.gbl>
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> Chuck quotes the auction text for said De Rosa:
>
>>...fork crown is the signature flat crown that Eddy Merckx used on so
>
>>many of his race bikes. Eddy once told me in a visit to my shop in
>
>>1986 that the flat De Rosa crown was his favorite for cobbled
>
>>roads...more supple...
>
>
> Is it all flat crowns that are supple, or just those on older De Rosas?
> Or
> just Eddy's bikes? I'd sure like to know where to get one of them supple
> fork crowns. Do they use a more supple steel alloy, or is there a special
> annealing involved? Is there any way to make my own fork crowns more
> supple? Rub neatsfoot oil into them or something?
>
> Also, is not some of the most, ahem, creative and entertaining writing in
> the world found in eBay auction copy?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry G. Prigmore
> Clovis, California, USA
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> http://liveearth.msn.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:25:25 -0700
> From: "Kurt Sperry" <haxixe@gmail.com>
> To: "Jerry Prigmore" <robinjer@hotmail.com>
> Cc: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]ebay outing: de rosa 40th anniversary one-off frame
> Message-ID: <75d04b480707231625u3489fa26nc303190d4e9a74d6@mail.gmail.com>
> In-Reply-To: <BAY122-F4093F24B8A05A7881140BACAF70@phx.gbl>
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>
> I have no opinion on whether fork crowns significantly affect ride, but
> the
> old "wisdom" was that since the legs proper were slightly longer on flat
> crown forks, they would be more resiliant. At least the added length
> would
> be on the end with the greatest bending moment so it seems possible
> perhaps. I've read onlist that essentially all the flex actually happens
> in
> the steerer tube (though the bottom HS bearing should constrain that to a
> large degree I would have thought).
>
> In any case the actual geometry would (surely?) have greater affect than
> the
> fork crown.
>
> Kurt Sperry
> Bellingham WA
> USA
>
>
> On 7/23/07, Jerry Prigmore <robinjer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Chuck quotes the auction text for said De Rosa:
>>
>> >...fork crown is the signature flat crown that Eddy Merckx used on so
>>
>> >many of his race bikes. Eddy once told me in a visit to my shop in
>>
>> >1986 that the flat De Rosa crown was his favorite for cobbled
>>
>> >roads...more supple...
>>
>>
>> Is it all flat crowns that are supple, or just those on older De
>> Rosas? Or
>> just Eddy's bikes? I'd sure like to know where to get one of them supple
>> fork crowns. Do they use a more supple steel alloy, or is there a
>> special
>> annealing involved? Is there any way to make my own fork crowns more
>> supple? Rub neatsfoot oil into them or something?
>>
>> Also, is not some of the most, ahem, creative and entertaining writing in
>> the world found in eBay auction copy?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jerry G. Prigmore
>> Clovis, California, USA
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> http://liveearth.msn.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:25:16 -0700
> From: "KO Kevin" <kko@ci.springfield.or.us>
> To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Cc: robinjer@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [CR]ebay outing: de rosa 40th anniversary one-off frame
> Message-ID:
> <4E5ACC97F0E9F44AA1AE70E250AE5B818557FD@spifs005.Springfield1.net>
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>
>
>
> Is it all flat crowns that are supple, or just those on older De Rosas?
> Or
> just Eddy's bikes? I'd sure like to know where to get one of them
> supple
> fork crowns. Do they use a more supple steel alloy, or is there a
> special
> annealing involved? Is there any way to make my own fork crowns more
> supple? Rub neatsfoot oil into them or something?
>
> Also, is not some of the most, ahem, creative and entertaining writing
> in
> the world found in eBay auction copy?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry G. Prigmore
> Clovis, California, USA
> ---------------------
>
> I'm not vouching for the accuracy of the seller's description, but the
> common belief back in the day was that the flat fork crown provided the
> most forgiving ride, the full sloping Cinelli crown was the stiffest and
> the semi-sloping crown was somewhere in between. I never could tell the
> difference, but I don't doubt that Mr. Merckx could feel it. Before
> computer simulation and wind tunnel testing, it was his feedback and the
> feedback of other top echelon racers that dictated bicycle design.
>
> Kevin Ko
> Eugene, OR
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:39:59 +0000 (GMT)
> From: gholl@optonline.net
> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Pogliaghi Pista Bottom Bracket Questions
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> I'm setting up a late 70's Pogliaghi Pista. The BB shell is 68 and I'm
> using Campagnolo Record (Italian) all around.
> Questions: Do I use a 68-P-110 or 68-P-120 axle? Are there other details I
> should know about?
> I believe this has something to do with the rear hub alignment, but I
> don't know what.
> Any help would be appreciated by, the ignorant
> George Hollenberg, MD
> Westport, CT, USA
>
> George Hollenberg MD
> CT, USA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:44:27 -0700
> From: Steve Maas <bikestuff@nonlintec.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]A surfeit of Allegros
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> I've heard from quite a few Allegro owners recently, two just today. One
> person sent me pictures of his barn find, a beautifully preserved
> Allegro Special in nearly original condition. It even has the original
> Stronglight 57 crank. There have also been some nice ones on eBay
> recently.
>
> So...does anyone know what happened to Craig Griffith's wonderful
> Allegro web site? I believe it was taken down some time ago, and I
> haven't heard anything from Craig for quite a while, either. Since then,
> I've lost the URL--if it has gone back up, I can't find it. Does anyone
> know the story?
>
> Steve Maas
> Long Beach, California, US of A
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:17:45 -0700
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: CR RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]A surfeit of Allegros
> Message-ID: <947D9F0C-6976-4E43-A47B-06DA735E7EBE@earthlink.net>
> In-Reply-To: <46A53D5B.4020401@nonlintec.com>
> References: <46A53D5B.4020401@nonlintec.com>
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>
> On Jul 23, 2007, at 4:44 PM, Steve Maas wrote:
>
>> I've heard from quite a few Allegro owners recently, two just
>> today. One person sent me pictures of his barn find, a beautifully
>> preserved Allegro Special in nearly original condition. It even has
>> the original Stronglight 57 crank. There have also been some nice
>> ones on eBay recently.
>>
>> So...does anyone know what happened to Craig Griffith's wonderful
>> Allegro web site? I believe it was taken down some time ago, and I
>> haven't heard anything from Craig for quite a while, either. Since
>> then, I've lost the URL--if it has gone back up, I can't find it.
>> Does anyone know the story?
>>
>> Steve Maas
>> Long Beach,
>
>
> Archive-URL: http://search.bikelist.org/
> Filename=classicrendezvous.10512.1229.eml
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:38:29 -0800
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt(AT)earthlink.net>
> Subject: [CR]Now: Allegro web site Was: Need help identifying
> bike...probably
>
> Brandon Ives wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone
> > know what happened to that great Allegro/Mondia webpage from a while
> > back?
>
> http://www.allegrobicycles.com
>
> Looks like the web site is gone again. Peter Grenader interest in bikes
> comes and goes. Last time I checked he was back to composing electronic
> music. Use to work as a graphic designer.
>
> Chuck "still graphic design" Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
> http://www.velo-retro.com (reprints, timelines & t-shirts)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:29:32 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Fred Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: Pogliaghi Pista Bottom Bracket Questions
> Message-ID: <125396.21822.qm@web30614.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>> I'm setting up a late 70's Pogliaghi Pista. The BB shell is
>> 68 and I'm using Campagnolo Record (Italian) all around.
>> Questions: Do I use a 68-P-110 or 68-P-120 axle? Are there
>> other details I should know about?
>> I believe this has something to do with the rear hub
>> alignment, but I don't know what.
>> Any help would be appreciated by, the ignorant
>> George Hollenberg, MD
>> Westport, CT, USA
>
> The spindle designation must be in accord with the rear dropout
> spacing. You also need to ensure that the spacing of the
> spindle's bearing "shoulders" in consistent with whether you're
> using thin-wall or thick-wall cups:
>
> http://search.bikelist.org/
>
> Fred Rednor - Arlignton, Virginia (USA)
>
>
>
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>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:42:19 -0400
> From: "Aldo Ross" <aldoross4@siscom.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Pic of the Day - Refills
> Message-ID: <006401c7cd93$e07e03f0$bc14fbd1@Newhouse>
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>
> Pic of the Day
> 24 July, 2007
>
> Refills
>
> Unique picture showing three of the leaders refilling their water
> bottles during the 1936 Tour de France. From "Match l'Intran" No.526,
> 24 July 1936.
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
> Aldo Ross
> Middletown, Ohio
> Etats Unis
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:54:48 -0400
> From: "Aldo Ross" <aldoross4@siscom.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Pic of the Day Special - La Vittelloise Bottles
> Message-ID: <006b01c7cd95$a1ebb9f0$bc14fbd1@Newhouse>
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>
> Pic of the Day Special
>
> La Vittelloise Bottles - 1950
>
> Robert Desbats displays his lovely La Vittelloise water bottles and
> Bartali brake levers. From "But et Club" No.247, 24 July 1950.
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
> Enjoying "Pic of the Day"??? Nothing says "Thank You" better than an
> original La Vittelloise aluminum water bottle, hint-hint ;-)
>
> Aldo Ross
> Middletown, Ohio
> Etats Unis
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:41:53 -0700
> From: Steve Maas <bikestuff@nonlintec.com>
> To: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>,
> CR RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]A surfeit of Allegros
> Message-ID: <46A566F1.9000705@nonlintec.com>
> In-Reply-To: <947D9F0C-6976-4E43-A47B-06DA735E7EBE@earthlink.net>
> References: <46A53D5B.4020401@nonlintec.com>
> <947D9F0C-6976-4E43-A47B-06DA735E7EBE@earthlink.net>
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>
> Thanks, Chuck.
>
> If anyone knows how to contact Peter, I'll make this offer: I'd be
> willing to host and maintain his site; I have plenty of space on my
> server. I have a special fondness for bikes that are outside the
> mainstream. Everyone knows about Masis, but...Allegros? There's a lot
> more to say, I think.
>
> Steve Maas
> (who really needs to get out for a ride tomorrow around)
> Long Beach, California.
>
>
>
> Chuck Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2007, at 4:44 PM, Steve Maas wrote:
>>
>>> I've heard from quite a few Allegro owners recently, two just today.
>>> One person sent me pictures of his barn find, a beautifully preserved
>>> Allegro Special in nearly original condition. It even has the original
>>> Stronglight 57 crank. There have also been some nice ones on eBay
>>> recently.
>>>
>>> So...does anyone know what happened to Craig Griffith's wonderful
>>> Allegro web site? I believe it was taken down some time ago, and I
>>> haven't heard anything from Craig for quite a while, either. Since
>>> then, I've lost the URL--if it has gone back up, I can't find it. Does
>>> anyone know the story?
>>>
>>> Steve Maas
>>> Long Beach,
>>
>>
>> Archive-URL:
>> http://search.bikelist.org/
>>
>> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:38:29 -0800
>> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt(AT)earthlink.net>
>> Subject: [CR]Now: Allegro web site Was: Need help identifying
>> bike...probably
>>
>> Brandon Ives wrote:
>> >
>> > Does anyone
>> > know what happened to that great Allegro/Mondia webpage from a while
>> > back?
>>
>> http://www.allegrobicycles.com
>>
>> Looks like the web site is gone again. Peter Grenader interest in bikes
>> comes and goes. Last time I checked he was back to composing electronic
>> music. Use to work as a graphic designer.
>>
>> Chuck "still graphic design" Schmidt
>> South Pasadena, Southern California
>> http://www.velo-retro.com (reprints, timelines & t-shirts)
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:30:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: MARK <mhoffman0@snet.net>
> To: wfbibb@bellsouth.net
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]suntour bar-con springs; now heat helps
> Message-ID: <448035.96657.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> Frank,
>
> I wondered if you found a spring for that bar-con yet. I had a "parts
> pair" that was fully seized, so I wasn't sure about them. Anyway, I
> figured I should try to "unseize" them, which I did. I again must extole
> heat as a bond breaker in many instances, and specifically the use of a
> heat-gun to generate that heat. I have a variable heat model that serves
> many useful purposes. I got a pair of Nervar crank bolt covers out with
> heat last week. (The allen head holes that alway strip out.)
> Anyway I have the spring steel that had the phillips head screw going
> thru it, if ya still need it. I got one working shifter out of the
> exercise, to boot.
> "Now, where was that Sachs with the frozen seat post....."
>
> Mark Hoffman
> New Britain, CT
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:34:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: Mark Fulton <markfulton5@mac.com>,
> Charles Andrews <chasds@mindspring.com>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]@jerry moos: you HAVE to be kidding. You are, right?
> Message-ID: <607863.12701.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> This list is amazing, isn't it? Where else would you see a Californian
> feeling slighted by a Texan, and a West Texan no less, who expressed
> disinterest in a rodeo event? This diversity, and unpredictablility of
> opinion, is what makes this list great.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Big Spring, West Texas
>
>
> Mark Fulton <markfulton5@mac.com> wrote:
> Charles wrote:
>
> When you say things like this, you display a completely lack of
> understanding of what it means to compete in an athletic event. Or to
> compete in anything.
>
> I quit reading what Jerry wrote after his snide remark about rodeo
> cowboys. I'm former professional equestrian. Along with other expert
> hunter and jumper competitors, I often had the opportunity to
> participate in the Grand National Horse Show and Rodeo. During the
> course of these competitions, I had the pleasure of talking with many
> of the rodeo contestants. In our conversations, the cowboys agreed
> they would never, ever attempt to ride a horse over a course of five-
> foot-high fences and I agreed I would never, ever try to ride a
> bronc' or a bull. My point is that a bicycle rider taking a cheap
> shot at bull riders is not just silly, it's embarrassing.
>
> Mark Fulton
> Redwood City
> California
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> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:50:15 -0700
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: CR RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]A surfeit of Allegros
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> Googled the name Peter Grenader and got:
> <peter@buzzclick-music.com>
>
> I thought you knew how to do this stuff Steve!?
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, CA USA
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>
> On Jul 23, 2007, at 7:41 PM, Steve Maas wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Chuck.
>>
>> If anyone knows how to contact Peter, I'll make this offer: I'd be
>> willing to host and maintain his site; I have plenty of space on my
>> server. I have a special fondness for bikes that are outside the
>> mainstream. Everyone knows about Masis, but...Allegros? There's a
>> lot more to say, I think.
>>
>> Steve Maas
>> (who really needs to get out for a ride tomorrow around)
>> Long Beach, California.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck Schmidt wrote:
>>> On Jul 23, 2007, at 4:44 PM, Steve Maas wrote:
>>>> I've heard from quite a few Allegro owners recently, two just
>>>> today. One person sent me pictures of his barn find, a
>>>> beautifully preserved Allegro Special in nearly original
>>>> condition. It even has the original Stronglight 57 crank. There
>>>> have also been some nice ones on eBay recently.
>>>>
>>>> So...does anyone know what happened to Craig Griffith's wonderful
>>>> Allegro web site? I believe it was taken down some time ago, and
>>>> I haven't heard anything from Craig for quite a while, either.
>>>> Since then, I've lost the URL--if it has gone back up, I can't
>>>> find it. Does anyone know the story?
>>>>
>>>> Steve Maas
>>>> Long Beach,
>>> Archive-URL: http://search.bikelist.org/
>>> Filename=classicrendezvous.10512.1229.eml Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005
>>> 13:38:29 -0800
>>> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt(AT)earthlink.net>
>>> Subject: [CR]Now: Allegro web site Was: Need help identifying
>>> bike...probably
>>> Brandon Ives wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Does anyone
>>> > know what happened to that great Allegro/Mondia webpage from a
>>> while
>>> > back?
>>> http://www.allegrobicycles.com
>>> Looks like the web site is gone again. Peter Grenader interest in
>>> bikes
>>> comes and goes. Last time I checked he was back to composing
>>> electronic
>>> music. Use to work as a graphic designer.
>>> Chuck "still graphic design" Schmidt
>>> South Pasadena, Southern California
>>> http://www.velo-retro.com (reprints, timelines & t-shirts)
>>> _______________________________________________
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