[CR]we are truly out of the mainstream....

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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:55:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Tom Dalton" <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>
To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, mitch.harris@gmail.com, jb@velostuf.com
Subject: [CR]we are truly out of the mainstream....

On 8/2/07, John Barron <jb@velostuf.com> wrote:

It would be romantic if old bikes were as fast as new bikes, wouldn't it? Well, without getting too worked-up about this, I'll tell you all that my experience shows that a $3,000 Heuer watch from the 60's doesn't keep as good a time as a $9.99 quartz watch bought today; a $100,000 Ferarri from the 60's doesn't perform, overall, as well as a $22,000 Camry bought today.

To which Mitch Harris replied:

Faulty analogies, each.

Mitch, please, you must be kidding us! If you sincerely believe that John is mistaken, you've got to do much better in rebutting his comments than to say, in effect, "you're wrong." John is a respected member of this list and has made a contribution that is, if nothing else, provocative. If you feel that his analogies are flawed, you are encouraged to provide a reasoned explanation, but to just tell John that he's wrong come off as just a bit childish. Don't you think?

In my opinion, John's post was a breath of fresh air. We can turn CR into a forum for discussing coefficients of drag, frictional losses, hysteresis, and the laws of thermodynamics, and we likely would still be no closer to agreeing on just how much faster bikes are today than they were in the on-topic timeframe. But, to outright deny, as some list members appear to do, that racing bikes today are faster than on-topic bikes is plain nuts. Is any of "that stuff" necessary to enjoying the ride? Is the difference all that huge? Is it worth the money? Would it be a real advantage for "my" style of riding? Is a modern bike worth the lost charm? Our answers to these questions are what make us, in the context of this list, who we are. I suppose even adhering to the bizarre belief that an on-topic bike is just as fast as a modern wonderbike is also what makes some of us who we are, but it's an attitude that sure is tough for me to understand.

Tom Dalton Bethlehem, PA USA

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