[CR][Re]was: pink RH vs.Masi, now: Copper plated nonsense

(Example: Component Manufacturers)

Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:33:34 +0200 (CEST)
From: "nick Bordo" <nicbordeaux@yahoo.fr>
Subject: [CR][Re]was: pink RH vs.Masi, now: Copper plated nonsense
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org


Great point about the Japan vs. US listings or end prices. My best (worst) experience during the very short time I sold ebay was a beautiful very early Stronglight wide ratio alloy chainring set (may be some hyphons missing there ?): one was already online when I put mine on. The one already there had 6 bidders at each others necks and hit 750 if memory serves me right. Mine I considered nicer, but it had no crank attached, and was missing two spacers/nut-bolts. I carefully pointed out that I had a right side, period correct (identical to the other online set) crank, and that locating the spacers wouldn't be a big deal but I refuse to fake gear, so it was sell in as is condition, buyer to put crank on. 6 bidders sat on mine at around 150 bucks until maybe 25 hours from end of sale, and that got me so annoyed I pulled it (it's my gear, I do what I want), and put it back on a 3 day sale with a starting price 499, buy it now 550. Needless to say nobody bid, I guess I offended some people (I apologize) but I was also not prepared to sell a 500/750 buck item for 150-200. You could argue all you want that the "missing" crank was detracting from interest, that is in my opinion not a tenable point, any fool can bolt a crank to a chainring or v.v.

The simple fact was had I waited to put mine on, or had I been first, my gear would have hit 750. Supply and demand at a given point in time is what determines an items price. Which factors other than "available offer" determine demand generally or in a given time frame on any given item is another point, and has been raised in a previous post. That, to me, is the most interesting point, be we talking bikes or fashion (or fashionable bikes come to that).

Nick Bordo, Agen, 47000 France.

Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:00:16 -0400 (EDT) From: wheelman@nac.net To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR][Re]was: pink RH vs.Masi, now: Copper plated nonsense Message-ID: <11289.65.220.90.243.1190149216.squirrel@webmail.nac.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 6

Nick Bordo makes a great point. Using ebay to judge workmanship and value is like predicting hurricanes with your corns. Case in point, I tried to sell a bike a couple of year back on ebay that I felt was worth around $400-$500. The best I could do was a little over $200 so the bike did not sell. My wife who knows nothing about bikes took an interest in this one bike and asked if she could have it and gave me $200 for it. Less than a year later, she put it up on ebay with my old description and photos and the damn thing sold for over $1000.

If we used ebay to do a statistical model of bike values, I am sure we would find that bikes sold to Japan fetch the best price. Does that mean that those bikes are better than ones sold in the US for the same make/model?

My annoying 2 cents.

Ray Homiski Elizabeth, NJ

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