Re: [CR]Ebay Chris Chance...best bike ever?

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 08:09:52 -0800 (PST)
From: "Don Wilson" <dcwilson3@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Ebay Chris Chance...best bike ever?
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <8C90535800E0396-12CC-3AFA@MBLK-R02.sysops.aol.com>


Dale, There has to be a first time I respectfully disagree with you and this is it. Masterpieces are not measured in linear, discretely quantifiable terms of how much work went into them. If they were, then every mastercraftsman would just do more work than the last guy and grab the honor of masterpiece. Masterpieces are, for lack of a better word, binary phenomena. They happen, or they don't. The Mona Lisa is not the best crafted or composed painting of the Florentine renaissance by far. Leonardo did at least one that I think was far better in every estimable way but one: the Mona Lisa is a masterpiece and Leonardo's other paintings are masterful paintings. Frankly, the arts and crafts are full of masterpieces that weren't the best crafted of their time. They just work magically well in a way that is absolutely frustrating to other craftsmen and artists (often subsequentely even to the one who made the masterpiece) out there spilling their guts out in execution wondering why their piece does not make the final lyrical leap into greatness.

Don Wilson
Los Olivos, CA USA


--- oroboyz@aol.com wrote:


> To answer your question of "Best bike ever?"
>
> No, a very nice bike, but far from that in my
> humble opinion...
>
> Don, have you watched that Discovery channel show
> about that family who make choppers? Their business
> is Orange County Choppers? It is stupid in many ways
> but a good illustration of this bike versus other
> fine bikes.
>
> This family take parts (frame,tank, engine, lights,
> etc) assemble them very nicely, then tack on a few
> parts they make and add a (intentionally) compelling
> "theme". Paint & gee gaws get tacked on that reflect
> the theme, (a mini ladder gizmo for Fire Station
> theme, etc.)
>
> Contrast these guys to the other MC builders who
> make their own frame, tank (Ala Jesse James) and
> components... I forget the names of the other guys
> (don't watch this stuff much) but there is a guy
> over in Winston Salem who makes bikes from the
> ground up that are frankly amazing... I am no
> chopper fan but it doesn't take too much of a
> stretch to admire some of these guys craftsmanship
> and effort to make unique and personal "statements"
> in their motorcycles...
>
> When you look back at the first family, despite all
> their press and celebrity, you realize they build
> motorcycles that are well received but are rather
> superficial when compared to the "real" ground up
> motorbike builders...
>
> This is sort of the case for this Chris Chance
> bike...
> Yes, very tasty and cool in paint color, nice
> add-on emblems and competently assembled, but when
> compared to a Sachs or Baylis or Bruce Gordon or
> Weigle or Peter Johnson or Chris Kvale and others,
> well, it is just a nice assembly using minimally
> modified Henry James lugs, in a relatively boring
> and stock looking format. The tacked on bits are
> most of what make it unique. The other builders I
> listed make frames that are so original, involve so
> much hand work and achieve their own unique look &
> style.... you just can't add on a water jet cut
> emblem and get to where they are.
>
> Actually I have seen Chris Chance frames that are
> more artfully made and closer to the halcyon
> heights, just no brazed on trinkets save his nice
> head badge...
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, North Carolina USA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dcwilson3@yahoo.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 3:09 AM
> Subject: [CR]Ebay Chris Chance...best bike ever?
>
> This Chris Chance would have to be in the running
> were
> a competition held. It IS the most beautifully
> elegant
> bike I have ever seen. This man took minimalist
> elegance to another level with this bike. The paint
> scheme is brilliant and so is the construction. I
> even
> like the stars and I'm not normally a fan of such
> details.
> 120074566094
>
> Below I have copied the seller's summary. It needs
> to
> be in the archives. I hope someone on CR gets this
> piece of rolling art. It makes me proud to be an
> American just looking at the pictures.
>
> Don Wilson
> Los Olivos, CA USA
>
> "The Bicycle Exchange was New England's leading
> seller
> of high-end cycles, components, and sundries for
> over
> 50 years, and launched many careers of competitive
> amateur and professional cyclists. Ben Olken, the
> founder, was considered the Godfather of the
> regional
> trade.
>
> This track cycle was hand built by framebuilder
> Chris
> Chance as a special gift to Ben Olken, to
> commemorate
> 50 years in the business (1934-1984). It is built of
> Columbus SL tubing, custom detailed HJ lugset and
> crown. 55 cm center to center seat tube and top
> tube.
> Finished in metallic amethyst with black enamel rear
> triangle, fork blades, and headtube. It is a rare
> and
> stunning example of Chris Chance's work. As many
> know,
> Chris Chance was a graduate of the Witcomb school of
> framebuilding, and launched his business in the mid
> 70's, initially concentrating on high-end racing
> cycles, before launching the FatChance line of
> mountain bikes, SlimChance production racing cycles,
> and finally selling out his business to retire in
> Vermont.
>
> Complete cycle is NOS, and has never seen a road or
> track surface. Best track bike at Lars Anderson.
> Details includes stainless steel badge
> embellishments,
> such as the headbadge, BiEx 1934-1984 commemorative
> badge on the seat tube, "Ben" badge on left side of
> top tube, "star" fork crown badges - all
> jewelry-like
> in detail. The bike is absolutely stunning, with
> many
> custom tuned component touches. Show, concours
> condition, completely original, unadulterated.
> Component group includes:
>
> * Campagnolo Record HS/BB
> * Campagnlo Record crankset, 170mm, with milled
> crankarms, milled spiders, Star chainring cutouts
> * Campagnolo SR seatpost
> * Campagnolo SF 28/28 Pista hubs, DT spokes,
> Vittoria Pista CX tubulars
> * Campagnolo SL Pista pedals with ICS clips,
> Cinelli straps
> * Cinelli Unicanitor black suede pista saddle
> * Nisi Pista Speciale "For Professional Use
> Only"
> rims, black anodized
> * Cinelli Pista handlebars (old logo) with
> milled
> old logo 1A stem, Benotto Tape/plugs
>
> D.C. Wilson dcwilson3@yahoo.com
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