[CR]RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 58, Issue 27

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From: "RB" <2wheelseal@earthlink.net>
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:12:28 -0700
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Subject: [CR]RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 58, Issue 27

I have a neat Carlton child's bike. Williams/Weinmann/Simplex/531. Don't have any pics at the moment. Let me know what you need.

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Today's Topics:

1. Px-10, py-10, or UO8?? PEUGEOT confusion (bruce thomson) 2. Re: Px-10, py-10, or UO8?? PEUGEOT confusion (Eric Elman) 3. Re: DURAX chain/ cranksets - origin, dates,etc? (Jan Heine) 4. Re: Comparative Weights (Jan Heine) 5. Re: Px-10, py-10, or UO8?? PEUGEOT confusion (Kurt Sperry) 6. oddball suntour spindle tapers 7. 'Bargain' bikes under $700; e-Bay outing; Thanks for your replies! (Larry Myers) 8. campy triple problem (Eric Meddaugh) 9. RE: DURAX chain/ cranksets - origin, dates,etc? (neil foddering) 10. Re: campy triple problem (Aldo Ross) 11. Re: Px-10, py-10, or UO8?? PEUGEOT confusion (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos) 12. Re: oddball suntour spindle tapers (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos) 13. Children's bikes (devotion finesse) 14. Re: Children's bikes (Jeff Slotkin) 15. WTB/WTT: Simplex Skewer End ??? (Koepke, Mark) 16. Re: Px-10, py-10, or UO8?? PEUGEOT confusion (Fred Rednor)

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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:35:59 -0700 (PDT) From: bruce thomson <masi3v4me@yahoo.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Px-10, py-10, or UO8?? PEUGEOT confusion Message-ID: <744638.56543.qm@web51610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Reply-To: rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com Message: 1

What is this guy selling, two bikes he claims are PX-10s, but the lugs and decals dont look right. He has two auctions, very similar photos.

http://ebay.com/<blah> Z290167798728QQihZ019QQcategoryZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Or if that link doesnt work item numbers 290167798728 and 290167798722

Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204 (509) 747 4314 Masi3v4me@yahoo.com

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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 23:43:53 -0400 From: "Eric Elman" <tr4play@cox.net> To: <rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com>, <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Px-10, py-10, or UO8?? PEUGEOT confusion Message-ID: <000501c8095d$73293cb0$6401a8c0@youra34ca29188> References: <744638.56543.qm@web51610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2

Based on the pics, they are both standard Peugeot UO-8's. However, description reads as if they are PX-10's . I'd go by the pics unless he can demonstrate otherwise.

Eric Elman
Somers, CT USA


----- Original Message -----
From: bruce thomson
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Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: [CR]Px-10, py-10, or UO8?? PEUGEOT confusion



> What is this guy selling, two bikes he claims are PX-10s, but the lugs and
> decals dont look right. He has two auctions, very similar photos.
>
> http://ebay.com/<blah> Z290167798728QQihZ019QQcategoryZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
> Or if that link doesnt work item numbers
> 290167798728
> and
> 290167798722
>
> Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204
> (509) 747 4314
> Masi3v4me@yahoo.com
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user
> panel and lay it on us.
>
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>

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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:49:18 -0700 From: Jan Heine <heine94@earthlink.net> To: "Dr. Paul Williams" <castell5@sympatico.ca> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]DURAX chain/ cranksets - origin, dates,etc? Message-ID: <a062309d4c32f58717f79@[192.168.1.33]> In-Reply-To: <007901c8093c$7ff2de90$0a02a8c0@ourlaptop> References: <007901c8093c$7ff2de90$0a02a8c0@ourlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3
>Hello all,
>
>I know that this has been asked before, but the archives don't offer a
>suitable answer. Can anyone please give some information on Durax
>chain/cranksets - date, origin, etc.?
>
>I am assuming they are French but there is nothing on the CR website
>under French components. I have seen the name Durax associated with
>Nervar! Is this a later transition?
>
>Paul Williams,
>Ottawa, ON, Canada
>

Hugo Koblet's Tour de France-winning bike from 1951 used cranks marked "Durax Service Course" - at least that is what the Rebour drawing in Bicycle Quarterly Vol. 2, No. 2 shows... the only info Rebour provided was that the cranks were 172 mm long. Cottered steel, no doubt, and apparently a Stronglight BB, if I interpret the drawing correctly. The originals appeared in Le Cycle, August 4, 1951.

Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 140 Lakeside Ave #C Seattle WA 98122 http://www.bikequarterly.com ------------------------------

Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:58:59 -0700 From: Jan Heine <heine94@earthlink.net> To: "P.C. Kohler" <kohl57@starpower.net> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Comparative Weights Message-ID: <a062309d5c32f5972bbd6@[192.168.1.33]> In-Reply-To: <000701c80953$88483bf0$6602a8c0@peter5ca78cb10> References: <000701c80953$88483bf0$6602a8c0@peter5ca78cb10> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4
>Was the Peugeot PX-10 really "extraordinarily light" (my assertion in a
>recent post) for its era?
>
>Peugeot PX-10: 21 pounds (source: '69 catalogue and Sloans)
>Gitane Tour de France: 21.5 pounds (source: '70 catalogue)
>Gitane Super Corsa: 22 pounds (source: '70 catalogue)
>Raleigh Professional: 22 pounds (source: '73 catalogue
>Atala Professional: 22 pounds (source: '72 Bicycling review)
>Bottechia: 22 pounds (source: '71 Bicycling review)
>Colnago: 22.5 pounds (source: '71 Bicycling review)
>Cinelli SC: 23 pounds (Sloans)

Those of course are catalogue weights... and they might just show a different level of honesty among bike companies... At least for the Italians, with a full Campagnolo gruppo and Columbus tubing, the only weight differences came from easy-to-change parts like stem, bars and saddle.

To put things into perspective, Rene Herse exhibited a bike at the 1973 (or thereabouts) Paris bike show that weighed 6.8 kg - and they had a scale to prove it. That is 15.0 lbs. The bike did not have any modified components, just - carefully selected - standard components. Not a drilled hole in sight. 10 speeds, 2 brakes, a full racing bike.

There was an article in Le Cycle that listed all the components. Apart from Huret Jubilee, some obscure CLB levers and TTT handlebars, the bike used Campy pedals (ti spindles?) and Herse stem and cranks. The frame was fillet-brazed from Reynolds 531 "3/10 mm" tubing, and I am sure the fillets were minimal...

The story goes that another company (perhaps Gitane?) also had a bike they claimed as being extremely light, but it was locked in a case, and nobody was allowed to touch it. To counter that, Herse got the scale, and hung the bike from it. The bike then was exhibited in the shop, still hanging from the same scale. A friend who went there in 1975 to inquire about a camping bike saw it. (He bought a Singer, the price being 25% less than the Herse.)

Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 140 Lakeside Ave #C Seattle WA 98122 http://www.bikequarterly.com -- ------------------------------

Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 21:00:56 -0700 From: "Kurt Sperry" <haxixe@gmail.com> To: "Eric Elman" <tr4play@cox.net> Cc: rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Px-10, py-10, or UO8?? PEUGEOT confusion Message-ID: <75d04b480710072100m7bd5b1dbm9a3854513f562853@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <000501c8095d$73293cb0$6401a8c0@youra34ca29188> References: <744638.56543.qm@web51610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <000501c8095d$73293cb0$6401a8c0@youra34ca29188> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: haxixe@gmail.com Message: 5

Those are two UO-8s, no doubt. Whomever wrote the copy for that auction either never looked at the bike or is deliberately misleading in their description. It is wrong in almost every imaginable way.

Kurt Sperry Bellingham WA USA

On 10/7/07, Eric Elman <tr4play@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Based on the pics, they are both standard Peugeot UO-8's. However,
> description reads as if they are PX-10's . I'd go by the pics unless he
> can
> demonstrate otherwise.

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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 21:18:24 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: chasds@mindspring.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]oddball suntour spindle tapers Message-ID: <18123210.1191817104791.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chasds@mindspring.com Message: 6

someone wrote, in part:

It's the odd 108mm length of the "later" (~1980's) Superbe and Sprint spindles, in Campy ISO taper size (same 2-degree taper angle as JIS) that makes these spindles unique and, as a long-obsolete wear part, hard to find.

**********

superbe cranks will go on campagnolo spindles in a pinch...the Suntour crank that's the real oddball is the early 80s iteration of the Suntour cyclone crank. Far as I can tell, from direct, and deeply frustrating experience, those cranks work ONLY with certain very specific Suntour spindles..

Charles "love the crank, hate the designer" Andrews Los Angeles

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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 22:28:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Myers <curmudgeon1957@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]'Bargain' bikes under $700; e-Bay outing; Thanks for your replies! Message-ID: <642836.38581.qm@web55404.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 7

Greetings, all!

In the spirit of the recent thread about the dearth of 'bikes under $800-$1,000'; I offer these 2 bikes: 1) mid-70's Holdsworth "Professional", 53.5cm seat tube (c2t), 55.5 top tube. Campy NR derailleurs, shift levers & hubs. Sugino 'Mighty Victory' drillium cranks, Sugino seat post, Nitto stem/3ttt bars, MKS campy-clone pedals, Concor seat, new Conti tires, cables. bar wrap- totally ready to go, paint & decals are excellent. NOTE: original owner stored the bike in pieces for several years, and lost track of the original fork....replacement is a Tange cr-mo model, w/ sloping forged crown; closely matches original appearance & geometry. Currently on e-bay with a BIN of $600 + shipping- should a list member purchase the bike, I will charge them only $20 for shipping in CONUS. 2)late-70's ('78 or'79, I believe) 58cm (c2t) Peugeot PX-10.Only$5,000,shipped :)...seriously, this bike is all original except for the MKS 'Pro-Ace' pedals, and the 27" Super Champion rims. Exceptionally clean appearance (some cracks in brake lever hoods). Not yet on e-bay; $575 shipped in CONUS (pix available). I have also listed some 1st generation Dura-Ace cranks, some last-generation SunTour Superbe brake calipers, a very nice Turbo 'Special' saddle, and a Huret Duo-Par derailleur. All have reasonable BIN prices, shipping discount to list members. My seller handle is curmudgeon1957*. I would also like to thank all who replied to my "....stinking price guide" posting. A lot of thoughtful, well-worded replies (even though Dr. Hollenbeck called me a "wag"...my inner child is still reeling over that!). I hope we can all continue to 'agree to disagree'; for me, that is one of the things that makes this so much FUN!

Larry stinkin' Myers Portland,OR,USA

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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 22:32:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Meddaugh <eric.m@rocketmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]campy triple problem Message-ID: <146358.40290.qm@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8

Hello All,=0A=0AI've installed a Campy triple crank on my '78 Raleigh Comp. and the chain hangs up when on the small chainring. Here're some pix:=0A =0Ahttp://www.flickr.com/photos/ericm/sets/72157602300502794/=0A=0AThe chai n hangs on the inside nuts from the middle chainring. Is this thing set up properly? Do I need to get a special skinny chain? Any help is much appreci ated. Thank you.=0A=0AEric Meddaugh=0Aenjoying the fantastic fall weather i n=0ASan Carlos, CA=0A=0A

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Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:25:53 +0000 From: "neil foddering" <neilfoddering@hotmail.com> To: castell5@sympatico.ca, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]DURAX chain/ cranksets - origin, dates,etc? Message-ID: <BAY141-F30AC11427C845689197543BFA40@phx.gbl> In-Reply-To: <007901c8093c$7ff2de90$0a02a8c0@ourlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9

Durax chainsets were available during the 1930's, and were standard equipment on some high-end British bikes, such as the Baines WRB Championship model and WRB Valkenburg Continental.

Two models of Durax 3-arm cranks are also listed in the 1937/38 Fonteyn & Co catalogue, one of them being the fluted crank model. As a matter of interest, this catalogue also lists the Duprat hollow cranks.

Fonteyn & Co imported Continental (which at that time, mainly French) lightweight accessories into England before and after the war.

Neil Foddering Weymouth, Dorset, England


>From: "Dr. Paul Williams" <castell5@sympatico.ca>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]DURAX chain/ cranksets - origin, dates,etc?
>Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 19:48:02 -0400
>
>Hello all,
>
>I know that this has been asked before, but the archives don't offer a
>suitable answer. Can anyone please give some information on Durax
>chain/cranksets - date, origin, etc.?
>
>I am assuming they are French but there is nothing on the CR website
>under French components. I have seen the name Durax associated with
>Nervar! Is this a later transition?
>
>Paul Williams,
>Ottawa, ON, Canada
>
>_______________________________________________

_________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Hotmail is here! http://www.newhotmail.co.uk

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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:34:14 -0400 From: "Aldo Ross" <aldoross4@siscom.net> To: "Eric Meddaugh" <eric.m@rocketmail.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]campy triple problem Message-ID: <002801c80996$c689c080$9a17fbd1@Newhouse> References: <146358.40290.qm@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10

Whoa! The nut should not protrude beyond the face of the middle chainring! There should be a counterbore (recess) on one face of the chainring... the outer ring of the nut sits down in this area. Is the middle chainring installed backwards? Take it apart and look for the recessed area.

Hope this helps.

Aldo Ross
Middletown, Ohio
USA


----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Meddaugh
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:32 AM
Subject: [CR]campy triple problem



> Hello All,=0A=0AI've installed a Campy triple crank on my '78 Raleigh
> Comp.
> and the chain hangs up when on the small chainring. Here're some pix:=0A
> =0Ahttp://www.flickr.com/photos/ericm/sets/72157602300502794/=0A=0AThe
> chai
> n hangs on the inside nuts from the middle chainring. Is this thing set up
> properly? Do I need to get a special skinny chain? Any help is much
> appreci
> ated. Thank you.=0A=0AEric Meddaugh=0Aenjoying the fantastic fall weather
> i
> n=0ASan Carlos, CA

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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:14:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> To: haxixe@gmail.com, Eric Elman <tr4play@cox.net> Cc: rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Px-10, py-10, or UO8?? PEUGEOT confusion Message-ID: <217783.46711.qm@web82210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <75d04b480710072100m7bd5b1dbm9a3854513f562853@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 11

Yes, the description of the components is correct, except for the saddle, for a PX-10, but the photos are clearly those of a UO-8.

The only item in the description that might be correct is the AGDA saddle, the nasty rock hard leather saddle stock on UO-8's. The photos clearly show steel cottered cranks, cheap stamped rear DO's, clincher rims (probably steel) with shraeder valves, cheap plastic Prestige shift levers, rather than the top quality equipment described. Also, PX-10 had half-chromed rear stays, which the UO-8 in the photo does not. Even the frame size is wrong, described as a 61 cm, but I don't think the bike pictured is more than 58 cm.

This bike is being listed by a selling service which lists all kinds of items for sellers for a fee. They therefore cannot be expected to know anything about bicycles. It looks like either the descrinption is from a catalog, or the photo is a stock Peugeot photo or both. It's possible the description is correct and the picture is not, in which case there might be a real bargain here, but the safest thing is to assume the photo is correct and bid accordingly if at all.

Regards,

Jerry Moos Big Spring, TX

Kurt Sperry <haxixe@gmail.com> wrote: Those are two UO-8s, no doubt. Whomever wrote the copy for that auction either never looked at the bike or is deliberately misleading in their description. It is wrong in almost every imaginable way.

Kurt Sperry Bellingham WA USA

On 10/7/07, Eric Elman wrote:
>
> Based on the pics, they are both standard Peugeot UO-8's. However,
> description reads as if they are PX-10's . I'd go by the pics unless he
> can
> demonstrate otherwise.

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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:25:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> To: chasds@mindspring.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]oddball suntour spindle tapers Message-ID: <84638.17840.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <18123210.1191817104791.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 12

I just this weekend cleaned up a Campy Victory BB that came off my Cuevas (replaced by a Ti Zeus 2000 BB). It is 109 mm long and very nearly symmetrical. I assume Triomphe used the same BB. Did C-Record also use this axle? If the Superbe Pro was a Campy taper (later to be annointed ISO) then it looks like the slightly off-topic mid 80's Campy BB's might be a good match to Superbe Pro arms. BTW, anyone know what the best Phil Wood BB is for Superbe Pro arms? Also did first generation Superbe use the same BB as Superbe Pro?

Regards,

Jerry Moos Big Spring, TX+

chasds@mindspring.com wrote: someone wrote, in part:

It's the odd 108mm length of the "later" (~1980's) Superbe and Sprint spindles, in Campy ISO taper size (same 2-degree taper angle as JIS) that makes these spindles unique and, as a long-obsolete wear part, hard to find.

**********

superbe cranks will go on campagnolo spindles in a pinch...the Suntour crank that's the real oddball is the early 80s iteration of the Suntour cyclone crank. Far as I can tell, from direct, and deeply frustrating experience, those cranks work ONLY with certain very specific Suntour spindles..

Charles "love the crank, hate the designer" Andrews Los Angeles

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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:49:07 -0400 From: devotion finesse <devotion_finesse@hotmail.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Children's bikes Message-ID: <BAY119-W2271132B948EAF936F3B38F5A40@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13

Can anyone direct me to any photos of on-topic bicycles built for children? I recall seeing a couple in Italy, and those one piece junior Cinelli bar /stem combos surface from time to time. I think I've seen pictures of a Ci nelli kid's bike too. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:23:59 -0400 From: Jeff Slotkin <jeffslotkin@comcast.net> To: devotion finesse <devotion_finesse@hotmail.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Children's bikes Message-ID: <7648CBD6-5E19-4AA8-BDB2-BE22953A1158@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <BAY119-W2271132B948EAF936F3B38F5A40@phx.gbl> References: <BAY119-W2271132B948EAF936F3B38F5A40@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14

One answer:

http://www.cyclesdeoro.com/DB/RyanBrown.htm

Good luck procuring it, or one like it.

Jeff Slotkin Charleston, SC USA

On Oct 8, 2007, at 10:49 AM, devotion finesse wrote:
>
> Can anyone direct me to any photos of on-topic bicycles built for
> children?
> I recall seeing a couple in Italy, and those one piece junior
> Cinelli bar
> /stem combos surface from time to time. I think I've seen pictures
> of a Ci
> nelli kid's bike too. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Matthew Bowne
> Brooklyn, New York

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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:35:25 -0500 From: "Koepke, Mark" <mkoepke@uwsp.edu> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]WTB/WTT: Simplex Skewer End ??? Message-ID: <4FCAEB3F1ACB854A988712D77BCC065A07A2C956@ems3.uwsp.edu> In-Reply-To: <MONKEYFOODuCBcKfExv000000b7@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> References: <MONKEYFOODuCBcKfExv000000b7@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15

Hi All, any one have the black plastic end cap for a classic Simplex skewer in their bunch of parts? Used JUST fine. Happy to trade for it...what do you need? Cheers, Mark

M. Koepke , Stevens Point WI 54481 USA mkoepke@uwsp.edu ------------------------------

Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:22:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Px-10, py-10, or UO8?? PEUGEOT confusion Message-ID: <972652.52285.qm@web30614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <217783.46711.qm@web82210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 16

> ...It looks like either the descrinption is from a > catalog, or the photo is a stock Peugeot photo or > both. It's possible the description is correct and > the picture is not...

Enough! It's obvious that the photos are of "twin" UO-8s risiding at the selling service's premises; and that the descriptions were obtained by doing a Web search on "PX-10".

Whether the service is confused, the actual seller is confused, or the bike is being intentionally misrepresented is something you will never know. But consider this:

If the selling service knows enough to do a search on PX-10 in order to get the specifications, they know enough to search eBay for PX-10 prices. So they also know the opening bid for a real PX-10 should be a lot more than $10. (Note the opening bid on another of their auctions: 290167798947, so they don't merely start everything at $9.99)

So the bike is obviously being misrepresented. The only reason it's worth discussing at all, is that the auction provides some insight into the "business practices" of certain professional eBay sellers. Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia, USA

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