Re: [CR]What else; Am I crazy/Peugeot

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Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:51:57 -0400
From: "James G Allen" <jgallen@lexairinc.com>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR]What else; Am I crazy/Peugeot
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OK, I get it now. Peugeots were great because they could be had for next to nothing, And the same sloppily brazed machine with plastic parts that you got was the same machine that Thevenet, Merckx et all rode to great victories. And that makes one in nice condition and brazed in the glory years when their quality was actually poorer worth $3500.00. ;-)

Georges "J'adore le France" Allen "Marquis de la" Fayette County, KY Les Etats-Unis

P.C. Kohler wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hurley" <JHurley@jdabrams.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 7:00 PM
> Subject: [CR]What else; Am I crazy/Peugeot
>
>
> " The central startling fact is that Thevenet's
> bike (which we may suppose came out of the new Prestige frame shop)
> was totally, utterly, ordinary: a typical Peugeot with typically
> sloppy finish. "
>
> You're a brave man trying to wax poetic around here about racing
> bikes, John, especially French ones. That makes about three of us on
> the list so far.
>
> All fair points. Although I beg to differ that the products of the
> Prestige shop were no better than the regular production. It's been my
> understanding, if not hunch, it was about the same distinction between
> the products of Ilkeston vs. Worksop with Raleighs. And I think
> Prestige made Peugeots are far rarer. Indeed, a 1981 PY-10CP remains
> my no. 1 sought after dream machine. That makes me about alone on this
> list I suspect. The build quality of Peugeots in general was far
> better at the end than the glory days.
>
> Finally, appreciate that one of the reasons one or two of us like
> Peugeots is precisely because great cyclistsdid great things on
> "ordinary"stock racing bikes. The same ones we could buy for $189.00.
> I suspect that's why they (the bikes) are distained by so many. But
> I've yet to be convinced that pantographing, fancy lugwork and
> drilling makes a faster racing machine. Peugeot's racing
> accomplishments do not need me or anyone else to embellish, they speak
> for itself. Nor do that of the other great French teams who rode
> similar machines. If don't "get" French cycling racing lore, c'est la
> vie indeed.
>
> Most don't get it. There is one "theme" Washington area local CR List
> members can never pull off for our annual or semi annual rides...
> France. I think I may the only local member who even owns a French
> racing bike. Imagine that.
>
> Peter Kohler
> Washington DC USA _______________________________________________