Re: [CR]Paramount P-13 vs P-15

(Example: Framebuilding:Restoration)

From: "Pat Moffat" <rocketman_531@msn.com>
To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, "David G. White" <whiteknight@burlingtontelecom.net>
References: <4733DBA1.9010906@burlingtontelecom.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Paramount P-13 vs P-15
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:18:15 -0700
Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:18:16 -0700


My three P-13's have similar, but not precisely, the same geometry...two are 73 square, while one is 74HT x 73ST. All have the same stay measure (42.5cm)., all have the same fork rake. The P-15 has more rake, the stays are longer at 43.5cm, but here is the weird part...the ST is 72.5, while the HT is 74. Seem like a pretty steep HT for a tour bike. That combo seems to work well, because every time I ride the P-15, I realize that it is one of my all time favorite bikes. The P-15 came with Weinman center pull brakes, but I replaced them with Campy record, using a drop bolt for the rear. I also have two P-10's. I didn't measure them, but I guess I will now. I'm assuming they will be about the same as the P-15. If there is significant difference, I'll report it in a later post. BTW, all are 25" frames.

Pat Moffat Tempe AZUSA Still too hot...just waiting for the morning when I can break out a sweatshirt

----- Original Message ----- From: David G. White<mailto:whiteknight@burlingtontelecom.net> To: Classic Rendezvous<mailto:classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:01 PM Subject: [CR]Paramount P-13 vs P-15

I'm researching the differences between the P-13 and P-15 circa 1972. The Waterford website has a Paramount history that includes the following:

Paramounts grew to five models:

* P-10 - Deluxe Paramount - designed for non-competition road riding and included front and rear eyelets, 27 x 1 1/4" clincher tires and Weinmann center pull brakes. It usually came with Campagnolo Record components. You could order it with Campy side pulls and/or custom geometry as an option. * P-11 - Paramount Tourist - designed for upright bars and recreational rides. It was available on a special order basis only. The ladies version was designated P61. * P-12 - This was the old designator for the Paramount Racer - now becoming the P10. * P-13 - Road Racing Paramount - designed for competition, this model came with tubulars and Campy sidepulls stock. * P-14 - Track - Full Campy track components including wide flange hubs and tubular tired wheels. * P-15 - Deluxe Paramount with 15 speeds (triple front chainrings). Start with the P-10 and add a wide gear range (generally a Shimano or Huret) long cage derailleur.

My question is: circa 1972 was there any difference between the frame of the P-13 and the P-15 (tubing, geometry, etc)? Or were the differences

solely with regard to the equipment with which the bike was built?

Best,

David

David G. White Burlington, VT

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