[CR]RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 59, Issue 83


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From: Doug Smith <douguk2007@hotmail.co.uk>
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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:25:14 +0000
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Subject: [CR]RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 59, Issue 83

Paul You could try Les at les@sendmanor.f9.co.uk for a diect contact. Be in touch Doug


> From: classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org> Subject: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 59, Issue 83> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:20:53 -0800> > Send Classicrendezvous mailing list submissions to> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrend ezvous> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> class icrendezvous-request@bikelist.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> classicrendezvous-owner@bikelist.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Classicren dezvous digest..."> > > CR> > Today's Topics:> > 1. Badge thuggery: boycott them ! (Nick March)> 2. Re: NYC Cycling Pics - 1982 (James Swan)> 3. Re: N YC Cycling Pics - 1982> 4. More....NYC Cycling Pics - 1982 (Dale Brown)> 5. Palmer Swap meet (Edward Albert)> 6. Black Friday (aldoross4)> 7. Needed c opy of Les Bowerman's paper on British Time-trialling> (Dr. Paul Williams)> 8. > Fork steerer length and headset stack? A fit or a mathematical> conun drum? (bruce thomson)> 9. Picture of the Day, missing in action? (bruce tho mson)> 10. Re: Fork steerer length and headset stack? A fit or a> mathemati cal conundrum? (Wayne Davidson)> 11. RE: fixie thing has gone too far! (bru ce thomson)> 12. Picture of the Day, missing in action? (Bob Hufford)> 13. RE: fixie thing has gone too far! (devotion finesse)> 14. RE: NYC Cycling P ics -Durdaller; VERY Long (John Pergolizzi)> > > -------------------------- --------------------------------------------> > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:4 4:19 +0100 (CET)> From: Nick March <nicbordeaux@yahoo.fr>> To: classicrende zvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Badge thuggery: boycott them !> Message-ID : <843820.37631.qm@web28007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit> P recedence: list> Message: 1> > I see somebody is auctioning a lovely badge, and I assume that this badge came his way via a thrid party, or was found in a box.> > If there is one thing in bike "collecting" circles, and sorry to offend but I mean to, that drives me really mad, it is the guys who stri p perfectly decent or recoverable bikes of their only ID for a quick buck. I will furthermore state that badge collectors and buyers are party to this crime. Ebay is full of badges for sale, every little nerd in France is pri zing badges off any bike he can get his dirty fingers on for a few euros. T hoiusands of bikes, and good ones too, not just mass produced junk.> > OK, we all need to make a buck, but anybody who is a true collector, anybody wh o loves bikes, should boycott solo badges lest their provenance be reputabl e and proven.> > I have two beautiful machines which will likely never be i dentified, because some congenital imbecile prized the badge off for an ext ra 10 euros before selling the bikes on.> > No personal offence to any part icular person meant, and if I get kicked off the list for this, so be it. > > Nick March, Mont de Marsan, 40 000 France> > > ------------------------- --------> Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart /alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> ------------- -----------------> > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:41:26 -0500> From: James Swa n <jswan@optonline.net>> To: Jonathanadamgree@aol.com> Cc: classicrendezvou s@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]NYC Cycling Pics - 1982> Message-ID: <587E ECC0-E643-46BB-8709-D61F41A889C0@optonline.net>> In-Reply-To: <d02.21a69314 .34778cb8@aol.com>> References: <d02.21a69314.34778cb8@aol.com>> Content-Ty pe: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed> MIME-Vers ion: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT> Precedence: list> Message: 2> > Joan's last name is Durdalleur so of course everyone said > "derailleur". S he has two sons, IIRC Paul and John, who were very > good riders in the lat e 70's. Coincidentally they both rode for Toga.> > Dale pointed out Paul Pe arson in the photos. Around that time Paul > lived in the Durdalleurs' base ment.> > A few years back John Pergolizzi rented a condo in San Deigo for t he > Winter and one of his neighbors noticed his bikes. The guy turns out > to be Paul Durdalleur.> > Here is a picture of Joan talking to another cyc ling luminary Fred > Mengioni. (you have to scroll down a bit)> > http://ce nterportcycles.com/pages/scrapbook/scrapbook02.html> > > > Jamie Swan> Nort hport, N.Y.> Centerport Cycles Inc.> http://www.centerportcycles.com> http: //www.limws.org> http://www.liatca.org> http://www.cabinfeverauctions.com>
> > > On Nov 22, 2007, at 8:54 PM, Jonathanadamgree@aol.com wrote:> > >> > Picture 39 and 40 is our now local to FL, USA cycling official > > Joan. I knew> > she had been doing it awhile but I didn't know 25+years. The next > > time she> > gives the smack down to one of the Juniors on my team I'm go nna > > show a picture> > of her and say "you aint the first". She takes no crap and now I > > know why.> >> > Jonathan Greene> > Oviedo FL> >> >> > I n a message dated 11/21/2007 11:07:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,> > devoti on_finesse@hotmail.com writes:> >> > Andy Shen just posted a bunch of great pics from the 1982 Union > > Square Crit> > erium:> >> > http://www.flickr .com/photos/daneil/sets/72157603247236974/detail/> >> > I recognize Lou Mal tese, Toga team kits, a Richard Sachs frame and > > a young> > Greg Lemond. ..> >> > Any other listmembers racing in NYC at that time remember that rac e?> >> > I was 4 years old and 3,000 miles away...> >> > Matthew Bowne> > B rooklyn, New York> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ********************************* *****Check out AOL's list of > > 2007's hottest> > products.> > (http://mon ey.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? > > NCID=aoltop00030000000001)> >>

anadamgree@aol.com> To: jswan@optonline.net> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist .org> Subject: Re: [CR]NYC Cycling Pics - 1982> Message-ID: <c4c.2300bd29.3 4782918@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> MIME-Vers ion: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 3> >
> In a message dated 11/23/2007 7:41:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jswan @optonline.net writes:> > Joan's last name is Durdalleur so of course every one said "derailleur". > > > > Jaime,> > FWIW Joan's name is now Joan Sheis .> > Jonathan Greene> Oviedo FL> > > > ************************************ **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest > products.> (http://money.aol.com /special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: Fri , 23 Nov 2007 08:41:26 -0500> From: Dale Brown <oroboyz@aol.com>> To: jswan @optonline.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]More....NYC Cy cling Pics - 1982> Message-ID: <8C9FBEDADF90507-ADC-ED9@WEBMAIL-DC20.sysops .aol.com>> In-Reply-To: <587EECC0-E643-46BB-8709-D61F41A889C0@optonline.net
>> References: <d02.21a69314.34778cb8@aol.com>> <587EECC0-E643-46BB-8709-D6 1F41A889C0@optonline.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> MIM E-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Message: 4> > > Jamie wrote: > << Joan's last name is Durdalleur so of course everyone said "derailleur". S> he has two sons, IIRC Paul and John, who were very good riders in the late 7> 0's. Coincidentally they both rode for Toga. >>> > Joan was an incredibly hard worker and although toughm, had a heart of gold.> .. Actually Paul rode for me for two years, during which he won the national> crit championship as a master (called "veteran" at that time.)> > << Dale pointed out Paul Pearso n in the photos. Around that time Paul lived > in the Durdalleurs' basement . >>> > Maybe that was when Paul lived in northern Va. just outside DC, the region w> here the Cirque will be taking place this coming Spring! > > << A few years back John Pergolizzi rented a condo in San Deigo for the Wint> er and one of his neighbors noticed his bikes. The guy turns out to be Paul > Durdalleur. >>> > That's cool. > > Richard Sachs saw these pics and sent this to me:> > << (Bruce) donaghy on shimano aero/tomasinni:> > http://www .flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2050001941&size=o&context=set-> 7215760 3247236974 >>> > The bikes those guys road are like this one:> http://www.c lassicrendezvous.com/Italy/Tommasini/Tomo_Ware_1.htm> > and Richrad added:> <<i saw many RS frames and some toga merceneries hired> just for the race: (Tom) prehn, pearson, jackson. also saw a> jeff bradley, alan mccormack, a nd many near famous> nyc area stars!> e-RICHIE©â\u201e¢Â®Â >>
> > > > > Dale Brown> cycles de ORO Bike Shop> 1410 Mill Street> Greensboro , North Carolina 27408 USA> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: J ames Swan <jswan@optonline.net>> To: Jonathanadamgree@aol.com> Cc: classicr endezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 7:41 am> Subject: Re: [CR]NY C Cycling Pics - 1982> > > > > > > > > > Joan's last name is Durdalleur so of course everyone said "derailleur". She > has two sons, IIRC Paul and Joh n, who were very good riders in the late 70's> . Coincidentally they both r ode for Toga. >  > > Dale pointed out Paul Pearson in the photos. Aro und that time Paul lived in > the Durdalleurs' basement. >  > > A few years back John Pergolizzi rented a condo in San Deigo for the Winter > an d one of his neighbors noticed his bikes. The guy turns out to be Paul Dur> dalleur. >  > > Here is a picture of Joan talking to another cycling luminary Fred Mengioni.> (you have to scroll down a bit) >  > > http ://centerportcycles.com/pages/scrapbook/scrapbook02.html >  > >  > > Jamie Swan > > Northport, N.Y. > > Centerport Cycles Inc. > > h ttp://www.centerportcycles.com > > http://www.limws.org > > http://ww w.liatca.org > > http://www.cabinfeverauctions.com >  > >  > > On Nov 22, 2007, at 8:54 PM, Jonathanadamgree@aol.com wrote: >  > > >  > > > Picture 39 and 40 is our now local to FL, USA cycling official > Joan. I > knew > > > she had been doing it awhile but I didn't know 25+y ears. The next > time s> he > > > gives the smack down to one of the Jun iors on my team I'm gonna > show a p> icture > > > of her and say "you a int the first". She takes no crap and now I > know wh> y. > > > > > > Jonathan Greene > > > Oviedo FL > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/21/2007 11:07:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > devotion_fi nesse@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > Andy Shen just posted a bunch o f great pics from the 1982 Union > Square > Crit > > > erium: > > >  > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/daneil/sets/72157603247236974/detail / > > > > > > I recognize Lou Maltese, Toga team kits, a Richard Sach s frame and > a yo> ung > > > Greg Lemond... > > > > > > Any other listmembers racing in NYC at that time remember that race?Â> > > > > > > I was 4 years old and 3,000 miles away... > > > > > > Matthew Bo wne > > > Brooklyn, New York > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > **************************************Check ou t AOL's list of > 2007's hot> test > > > products. > > > (http://mone y.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?> NCID=aoltop00030000000> 001) > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >
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To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]> Fork steerer length and headset stack? A fit or a mathematical conundrum?> Message-ID: <252262.852 16.qm@web51602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso -8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit> Precedence: li st> Reply-To: rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com> Message: 8> > Listers I have a m athematical delema to solve. I have a nice frame but have been seeking the appropriate fork for the frame. I have purchased a short fork and have pric ed out the work of having it lengthened, but there may be an opportunity fo r an original in the proper size.> The bike in question is a 57cm c2c frame with the head tube being 155 in length without the headset cups. I intend to install a Nuovo Record steel road headset. The offered fork has 183 mm o f steerer tube. Now what is the best way to mathematically determine if thi s will fit the said fork on my frame??? Bruce> > > Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204 > (509) 747 4314 > Masi3v4me@yahoo.com rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com>
> > > > > ---------------------------------> Be a better sports nut! Let yo ur teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.> > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body - - kept)> text/html> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: Fri, 23 No v 2007 09:57:57 -0800 (PST)> From: bruce thomson <masi3v4me@yahoo.com>> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Picture of the Day, missing i n action?> Message-ID: <948920.26850.qm@web51607.mail.re2.yahoo.com>> Conte nt-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Trans fer-Encoding: 8bit> Precedence: list> Reply-To: rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com
> Message: 9> > I think it was Aldo Ross that posted the Pic of the Day eac h and every day. I miss this little bit of cycling history. If he could col lect those photographs in an archive there would be enough meat for a book. It would even be good on its own web page. Did this stop for a reason or j ust died of its own accord? Bruce> > > Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204 > (50 9) 747 4314 > Masi3v4me@yahoo.com rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com> > > > > > -- -------------------------------> Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with fri ends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.> > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/htm l> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 06:58:10 + 1300> From: Wayne Davidson <wayne.collect@xtra.co.nz>> To: rapidfire10ring@ hotmail.com> Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR] Fork ste erer length and headset stack? A fit or a> mathematical conundrum?> Message -ID: <474714B2.7000504@xtra.co.nz>> In-Reply-To: <252262.85216.qm@web51602. mail.re2.yahoo.com>> References: <252262.85216.qm@web51602.mail.re2.yahoo.c om>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> MIME- Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 1 0> > Hi Bruce, your stack height is 28mm,> > Stack height.> (Nuovo) Record Strada (road) is 39.1 mm.> Super Record road is taller at 42.2 mm.> Record and Super Record Pista (track), Gran Sport, are all 33.7 mm.> > So as you c an see from the dimensions you are out of luck to fit any > Campagnolo, you will need a steerer of 194 to fit a NR headset, and 197 > to fit a SR head set, best of luck, been there done that wayne davidson > invers NZ......... ...> > > bruce thomson wrote:> > Listers I have a mathematical delema to so lve. I have a nice frame but have been seeking the appropriate fork for the frame. I have purchased a short fork and have priced out the work of havin g it lengthened, but there may be an opportunity for an original in the pro per size.> > The bike in question is a 57cm c2c frame with the head tube be ing 155 in length without the headset cups. I intend to install a Nuovo Rec ord steel road headset. The offered fork has 183 mm of steerer tube. Now wh at is the best way to mathematically determine if this will fit the said fo rk on my frame??? Bruce> >> >> > Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204 > > (509) 7 47 4314 > > Masi3v4me@yahoo.com rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com> > > >> >> > >
> ------------------------------> > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:07:22 -0800 ( PST)> From: bruce thomson <masi3v4me@yahoo.com>> To: Stronglight49@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR] fixie thing has gone too far! > Message-ID: <142298.94579.qm@web51603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>> In-Reply -To: <c0e.1b748cec.3476ed49@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=i so-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit> Precedence: list> Reply-To: rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com> Message: 11> > Just remember w hat the "fixie" crowd produces: Scrap metal and great practice for emergenc y medical technicians. BT> > Stronglight49@aol.com wrote: Well, with the po wder coat the bike won't get too scratched...> when it throws him on his he ad. > > Nothing quite like: > > 1.) a low road bike bottom bracket > 2.) lo ng crank arms> 3.) a fixed gear> 4.) a wide road pedal> 5.) a cocky first t ime fixie rider> > all entering a fast un-banked turn... to spell imminent disaster.> > I see a painful learning curve on someone's horizon.> A long f all from a tall bike. > I like it :-)> > > BOB HANSON, ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEX ICO, USA> > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's lis t of 2007's hottest > products.> (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products -2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)> _______________________________________

@hotmail.com> > > > > > ---------------------------------> Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.> > --- StripMim e Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (te xt body -- kept)> text/html> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: F ri, 23 Nov 2007 18:07:43 +0000> From: bhufford3@mchsi.com (Bob Hufford)> To : Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Picture of the Day, missing in action?> Message-ID: <112320071807.29394.474716EE000AE516000072D22197913 36303010CD2079C080C03BFCC0B9D0100009A080D@mchsi.com>> Precedence: list> Mes sage: 12> > bruce thomson <masi3v4me(AT)yahoo.com> wrote:> > > I think it w as Aldo Ross that posted the Pic of the Day each and > > every day. I miss this little bit of cycling history. If he could > > collect those photograp hs in an archive there would be enough meat for > > a book. It would even b e good on its own web page.> > Well, there is a web page:> > http://www.woo ljersey.com/gallery/v/aldoross/pd/> > Bob Hufford> Springfield, MO> ------- -----------------------> > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:12:52 -0500> From: dev otion finesse <devotion_finesse@hotmail.com>> To: <rapidfire10ring@hotmail. com>, <stronglight49@aol.com>,> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: RE: [CR] fixie thing has gone too far!> Message-ID: <BLU122-W87A2C1B9F6F3D1 DFA8ED9F57A0@phx.gbl>> In-Reply-To: <142298.94579.qm@web51603.mail.re2.yaho o.com>> References: <c0e.1b748cec.3476ed49@aol.com>> <142298.94579.qm@web51 603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Message: 13> > > >From time to time, i t also produces a few dedicated vintage bicycle enthusi> asts. If it wasn't for the messengers that I saw on vintage steel in the s> treets of NYC ten years ago, I might not have purchased that first Somec tr> ack bike and fo und my way to Classic Rendezvous.> > Matthew "rather see old steel on the r oad than hanging in your living room"> Bowne> Brooklyn, New York> > > > > > ----------------------------------------> > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:07:2 2 -0800> > From: masi3v4me@yahoo.com> > Subject: RE: [CR] fixie thing has g one too far! > > To: Stronglight49@aol.com; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> > > > Just remember what the "fixie" crowd produces: Scrap metal and great pra> ctice for emergency medical technicians. BT> > > > Stronglight49@aol. com wrote: Well, with the powder coat the bike won't ge> t too scratched...
> > when it throws him on his head. > > > > Nothing quite like: > > > > 1.) a low road bike bottom bracket > > 2.) long crank arms> > 3.) a fixed gear
> > 4.) a wide road pedal> > 5.) a cocky first time fixie rider> > > > all entering a fast un-banked turn... to spell imminent disaster.> > > > I see a painful learning curve on someone's horizon.> > A long fall from a tall b ike. > > I like it :-)> > > > > > BOB HANSON, ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO, USA> > > > > > > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's li st of 2007's hott> est > > products.> > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-p roducts-2007?NCID=aoltop000300000000> 01)> > ____________________________

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