Paul You could try Les at les@sendmanor.f9.co.uk for a diect contact. Be in touch Doug
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Digest, Vol 59, Issue 83> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Fri, 23
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dezvous digest..."> > > CR> > Today's Topics:> > 1. Badge thuggery: boycott
them ! (Nick March)> 2. Re: NYC Cycling Pics - 1982 (James Swan)> 3. Re: N
YC Cycling Pics - 1982> 4. More....NYC Cycling Pics - 1982 (Dale Brown)> 5.
Palmer Swap meet (Edward Albert)> 6. Black Friday (aldoross4)> 7. Needed c
opy of Les Bowerman's paper on British Time-trialling> (Dr. Paul Williams)>
8. > Fork steerer length and headset stack? A fit or a mathematical> conun
drum? (bruce thomson)> 9. Picture of the Day, missing in action? (bruce tho
mson)> 10. Re: Fork steerer length and headset stack? A fit or a> mathemati
cal conundrum? (Wayne Davidson)> 11. RE: fixie thing has gone too far! (bru
ce thomson)> 12. Picture of the Day, missing in action? (Bob Hufford)> 13.
RE: fixie thing has gone too far! (devotion finesse)> 14. RE: NYC Cycling P
ics -Durdaller; VERY Long (John Pergolizzi)> > > --------------------------
--------------------------------------------> > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:4
4:19 +0100 (CET)> From: Nick March <nicbordeaux@yahoo.fr>> To: classicrende
zvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Badge thuggery: boycott them !> Message-ID
: <843820.37631.qm@web28007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=iso-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit> P
recedence: list> Message: 1> > I see somebody is auctioning a lovely badge,
and I assume that this badge came his way via a thrid party, or was found
in a box.> > If there is one thing in bike "collecting" circles, and sorry
to offend but I mean to, that drives me really mad, it is the guys who stri
p perfectly decent or recoverable bikes of their only ID for a quick buck.
I will furthermore state that badge collectors and buyers are party to this
crime. Ebay is full of badges for sale, every little nerd in France is pri
zing badges off any bike he can get his dirty fingers on for a few euros. T
hoiusands of bikes, and good ones too, not just mass produced junk.> > OK,
we all need to make a buck, but anybody who is a true collector, anybody wh
o loves bikes, should boycott solo badges lest their provenance be reputabl
e and proven.> > I have two beautiful machines which will likely never be i
dentified, because some congenital imbecile prized the badge off for an ext
ra 10 euros before selling the bikes on.> > No personal offence to any part
icular person meant, and if I get kicked off the list for this, so be it. >
> Nick March, Mont de Marsan, 40 000 France> > > -------------------------
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-----------------> > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:41:26 -0500> From: James Swa
n <jswan@optonline.net>> To: Jonathanadamgree@aol.com> Cc: classicrendezvou
s@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]NYC Cycling Pics - 1982> Message-ID: <587E
ECC0-E643-46BB-8709-D61F41A889C0@optonline.net>> In-Reply-To: <d02.21a69314
.34778cb8@aol.com>> References: <d02.21a69314.34778cb8@aol.com>> Content-Ty
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Joan's last name is Durdalleur so of course everyone said > "derailleur". S
he has two sons, IIRC Paul and John, who were very > good riders in the lat
e 70's. Coincidentally they both rode for Toga.> > Dale pointed out Paul Pe
arson in the photos. Around that time Paul > lived in the Durdalleurs' base
ment.> > A few years back John Pergolizzi rented a condo in San Deigo for t
he > Winter and one of his neighbors noticed his bikes. The guy turns out >
to be Paul Durdalleur.> > Here is a picture of Joan talking to another cyc
ling luminary Fred > Mengioni. (you have to scroll down a bit)> > http://ce
nterportcycles.com/pages/scrapbook/scrapbook02.html> > > > Jamie Swan> Nort
hport, N.Y.> Centerport Cycles Inc.> http://www.centerportcycles.com> http:
//www.limws.org> http://www.liatca.org> http://www.cabinfeverauctions.com>
> > > On Nov 22, 2007, at 8:54 PM, Jonathanadamgree@aol.com wrote:> > >> >
Picture 39 and 40 is our now local to FL, USA cycling official > > Joan. I
knew> > she had been doing it awhile but I didn't know 25+years. The next >
> time she> > gives the smack down to one of the Juniors on my team I'm go
nna > > show a picture> > of her and say "you aint the first". She takes no
crap and now I > > know why.> >> > Jonathan Greene> > Oviedo FL> >> >> > I
n a message dated 11/21/2007 11:07:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,> > devoti
on_finesse@hotmail.com writes:> >> > Andy Shen just posted a bunch of great
pics from the 1982 Union > > Square Crit> > erium:> >> > http://www.flickr
.com/photos/daneil/sets/72157603247236974/detail/> >> > I recognize Lou Mal
tese, Toga team kits, a Richard Sachs frame and > > a young> > Greg Lemond.
..> >> > Any other listmembers racing in NYC at that time remember that rac
e?> >> > I was 4 years old and 3,000 miles away...> >> > Matthew Bowne> > B
rooklyn, New York> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > *********************************
*****Check out AOL's list of > > 2007's hottest> > products.> > (http://mon
ey.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? > > NCID=aoltop00030000000001)> >>
anadamgree@aol.com> To: jswan@optonline.net> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist
.org> Subject: Re: [CR]NYC Cycling Pics - 1982> Message-ID: <c4c.2300bd29.3
4782918@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> MIME-Vers
ion: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 3> >
> In a message dated 11/23/2007 7:41:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jswan
@optonline.net writes:> > Joan's last name is Durdalleur so of course every
one said "derailleur". > > > > Jaime,> > FWIW Joan's name is now Joan Sheis
.> > Jonathan Greene> Oviedo FL> > > > ************************************
**Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest > products.> (http://money.aol.com
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, 23 Nov 2007 08:41:26 -0500> From: Dale Brown <oroboyz@aol.com>> To: jswan
@optonline.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]More....NYC Cy
cling Pics - 1982> Message-ID: <8C9FBEDADF90507-ADC-ED9@WEBMAIL-DC20.sysops
.aol.com>> In-Reply-To: <587EECC0-E643-46BB-8709-D61F41A889C0@optonline.net
>> References: <d02.21a69314.34778cb8@aol.com>> <587EECC0-E643-46BB-8709-D6
1F41A889C0@optonline.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> MIM
E-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Message: 4> > > Jamie wrote: > << Joan's
last name is Durdalleur so of course everyone said "derailleur". S> he has
two sons, IIRC Paul and John, who were very good riders in the late 7> 0's.
Coincidentally they both rode for Toga. >>> > Joan was an incredibly hard
worker and although toughm, had a heart of gold.> .. Actually Paul rode for
me for two years, during which he won the national> crit championship as a
master (called "veteran" at that time.)> > << Dale pointed out Paul Pearso
n in the photos. Around that time Paul lived > in the Durdalleurs' basement
. >>> > Maybe that was when Paul lived in northern Va. just outside DC, the
region w> here the Cirque will be taking place this coming Spring! > > <<
A few years back John Pergolizzi rented a condo in San Deigo for the Wint>
er and one of his neighbors noticed his bikes. The guy turns out to be Paul
> Durdalleur. >>> > That's cool. > > Richard Sachs saw these pics and sent
this to me:> > << (Bruce) donaghy on shimano aero/tomasinni:> > http://www
.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2050001941&size=o&context=set-> 7215760
3247236974 >>> > The bikes those guys road are like this one:> http://www.c
lassicrendezvous.com/Italy/Tommasini/Tomo_Ware_1.htm> > and Richrad added:>
<<i saw many RS frames and some toga merceneries hired> just for the race:
(Tom) prehn, pearson, jackson. also saw a> jeff bradley, alan mccormack, a
nd many near famous> nyc area stars!> e-RICHIE©â\u201e¢Â®Â >>
> > > > > Dale Brown> cycles de ORO Bike Shop> 1410 Mill Street> Greensboro
, North Carolina 27408 USA> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: J
ames Swan <jswan@optonline.net>> To: Jonathanadamgree@aol.com> Cc: classicr
endezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 7:41 am> Subject: Re: [CR]NY
C Cycling Pics - 1982> > > > > > > > > > Joan's last name is Durdalleur so
of course everyone said "derailleur". She > has two sons, IIRC Paul and Joh
n, who were very good riders in the late 70's> . Coincidentally they both r
ode for Toga. >  > > Dale pointed out Paul Pearson in the photos. Aro
und that time Paul lived in > the Durdalleurs' basement. >  > > A few
years back John Pergolizzi rented a condo in San Deigo for the Winter > an
d one of his neighbors noticed his bikes. The guy turns out to be Paul Dur>
dalleur. >  > > Here is a picture of Joan talking to another cycling
luminary Fred Mengioni.> (you have to scroll down a bit)Â > Â > > http
://centerportcycles.com/pages/scrapbook/scrapbook02.html >  > >  >
> Jamie Swan > > Northport, N.Y. > > Centerport Cycles Inc. > > h
ttp://www.centerportcycles.com > > http://www.limws.org > > http://ww
w.liatca.org > > http://www.cabinfeverauctions.com >  > >  > >
On Nov 22, 2007, at 8:54 PM, Jonathanadamgree@aol.com wrote:Â > Â > > >
 > > > Picture 39 and 40 is our now local to FL, USA cycling official >
Joan. I > knew > > > she had been doing it awhile but I didn't know 25+y
ears. The next > time s> he > > > gives the smack down to one of the Jun
iors on my team I'm gonna > show a p> icture > > > of her and say "you a
int the first". She takes no crap and now I > know wh> y. > > > > > >
Jonathan Greene > > > Oviedo FL > > > > > > > > > In a message
dated 11/21/2007 11:07:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > devotion_fi
nesse@hotmail.com writes:Â > > >Â > > > Andy Shen just posted a bunch o
f great pics from the 1982 Union > Square > Crit > > > erium: > > >
 > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/daneil/sets/72157603247236974/detail
/Â > > >Â > > > I recognize Lou Maltese, Toga team kits, a Richard Sach
s frame and > a yo> ung > > > Greg Lemond... > > > > > > Any other
listmembers racing in NYC at that time remember that race?Â> > > >Â >
> > I was 4 years old and 3,000 miles away... > > > > > > Matthew Bo
wne > > > Brooklyn, New York > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>Â > > >Â > > >Â > > > **************************************Check ou
t AOL's list of > 2007's hot> test > > > products. > > > (http://mone
y.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?> NCID=aoltop00030000000> 001)Â > >
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To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]> Fork steerer length and
headset stack? A fit or a mathematical conundrum?> Message-ID: <252262.852
16.qm@web51602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso
-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit> Precedence: li
st> Reply-To: rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com> Message: 8> > Listers I have a m
athematical delema to solve. I have a nice frame but have been seeking the
appropriate fork for the frame. I have purchased a short fork and have pric
ed out the work of having it lengthened, but there may be an opportunity fo
r an original in the proper size.> The bike in question is a 57cm c2c frame
with the head tube being 155 in length without the headset cups. I intend
to install a Nuovo Record steel road headset. The offered fork has 183 mm o
f steerer tube. Now what is the best way to mathematically determine if thi
s will fit the said fork on my frame??? Bruce> > > Bruce Thomson Spokane WA
99204 > (509) 747 4314 > Masi3v4me@yahoo.com rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com>
> > > > > ---------------------------------> Be a better sports nut! Let yo
ur teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.> > --- StripMime Report
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v 2007 09:57:57 -0800 (PST)> From: bruce thomson <masi3v4me@yahoo.com>> To:
Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Picture of the Day, missing i
n action?> Message-ID: <948920.26850.qm@web51607.mail.re2.yahoo.com>> Conte
nt-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Trans
fer-Encoding: 8bit> Precedence: list> Reply-To: rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com
> Message: 9> > I think it was Aldo Ross that posted the Pic of the Day eac
h and every day. I miss this little bit of cycling history. If he could col
lect those photographs in an archive there would be enough meat for a book.
It would even be good on its own web page. Did this stop for a reason or j
ust died of its own accord? Bruce> > > Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204 > (50
9) 747 4314 > Masi3v4me@yahoo.com rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com> > > > > > --
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l> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 06:58:10 +
1300> From: Wayne Davidson <wayne.collect@xtra.co.nz>> To: rapidfire10ring@
hotmail.com> Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR] Fork ste
erer length and headset stack? A fit or a> mathematical conundrum?> Message
-ID: <474714B2.7000504@xtra.co.nz>> In-Reply-To: <252262.85216.qm@web51602.
mail.re2.yahoo.com>> References: <252262.85216.qm@web51602.mail.re2.yahoo.c
om>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> MIME-
Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 1
0> > Hi Bruce, your stack height is 28mm,> > Stack height.> (Nuovo) Record
Strada (road) is 39.1 mm.> Super Record road is taller at 42.2 mm.> Record
and Super Record Pista (track), Gran Sport, are all 33.7 mm.> > So as you c
an see from the dimensions you are out of luck to fit any > Campagnolo, you
will need a steerer of 194 to fit a NR headset, and 197 > to fit a SR head
set, best of luck, been there done that wayne davidson > invers NZ.........
...> > > bruce thomson wrote:> > Listers I have a mathematical delema to so
lve. I have a nice frame but have been seeking the appropriate fork for the
frame. I have purchased a short fork and have priced out the work of havin
g it lengthened, but there may be an opportunity for an original in the pro
per size.> > The bike in question is a 57cm c2c frame with the head tube be
ing 155 in length without the headset cups. I intend to install a Nuovo Rec
ord steel road headset. The offered fork has 183 mm of steerer tube. Now wh
at is the best way to mathematically determine if this will fit the said fo
rk on my frame??? Bruce> >> >> > Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204 > > (509) 7
47 4314 > > Masi3v4me@yahoo.com rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com> > > >> >> > >
> ------------------------------> > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:07:22 -0800 (
PST)> From: bruce thomson <masi3v4me@yahoo.com>> To: Stronglight49@aol.com,
classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR] fixie thing has gone too
far! > Message-ID: <142298.94579.qm@web51603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>> In-Reply
-To: <c0e.1b748cec.3476ed49@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=i
so-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit> Precedence:
list> Reply-To: rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com> Message: 11> > Just remember w
hat the "fixie" crowd produces: Scrap metal and great practice for emergenc
y medical technicians. BT> > Stronglight49@aol.com wrote: Well, with the po
wder coat the bike won't get too scratched...> when it throws him on his he
ad. > > Nothing quite like: > > 1.) a low road bike bottom bracket > 2.) lo
ng crank arms> 3.) a fixed gear> 4.) a wide road pedal> 5.) a cocky first t
ime fixie rider> > all entering a fast un-banked turn... to spell imminent
disaster.> > I see a painful learning curve on someone's horizon.> A long f
all from a tall bike. > I like it :-)> > > BOB HANSON, ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEX
ICO, USA> > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's lis
t of 2007's hottest > products.> (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products
-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)> _______________________________________
@hotmail.com> > > > > > ---------------------------------> Be a better pen
pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.> > --- StripMim
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xt body -- kept)> text/html> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: F
ri, 23 Nov 2007 18:07:43 +0000> From: bhufford3@mchsi.com (Bob Hufford)> To
: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Picture of the Day, missing
in action?> Message-ID: <112320071807.29394.474716EE000AE516000072D22197913
36303010CD2079C080C03BFCC0B9D0100009A080D@mchsi.com>> Precedence: list> Mes
sage: 12> > bruce thomson <masi3v4me(AT)yahoo.com> wrote:> > > I think it w
as Aldo Ross that posted the Pic of the Day each and > > every day. I miss
this little bit of cycling history. If he could > > collect those photograp
hs in an archive there would be enough meat for > > a book. It would even b
e good on its own web page.> > Well, there is a web page:> > http://www.woo
ljersey.com/gallery/v/aldoross/pd/> > Bob Hufford> Springfield, MO> -------
-----------------------> > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:12:52 -0500> From: dev
otion finesse <devotion_finesse@hotmail.com>> To: <rapidfire10ring@hotmail.
com>, <stronglight49@aol.com>,> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject:
RE: [CR] fixie thing has gone too far!> Message-ID: <BLU122-W87A2C1B9F6F3D1
DFA8ED9F57A0@phx.gbl>> In-Reply-To: <142298.94579.qm@web51603.mail.re2.yaho
o.com>> References: <c0e.1b748cec.3476ed49@aol.com>> <142298.94579.qm@web51
603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">
MIME-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Message: 13> > > >From time to time, i
t also produces a few dedicated vintage bicycle enthusi> asts. If it wasn't
for the messengers that I saw on vintage steel in the s> treets of NYC ten
years ago, I might not have purchased that first Somec tr> ack bike and fo
und my way to Classic Rendezvous.> > Matthew "rather see old steel on the r
oad than hanging in your living room"> Bowne> Brooklyn, New York> > > > > >
----------------------------------------> > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:07:2
2 -0800> > From: masi3v4me@yahoo.com> > Subject: RE: [CR] fixie thing has g
one too far! > > To: Stronglight49@aol.com; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > Just remember what the "fixie" crowd produces: Scrap metal and great
pra> ctice for emergency medical technicians. BT> > > > Stronglight49@aol.
com wrote: Well, with the powder coat the bike won't ge> t too scratched...
> > when it throws him on his head. > > > > Nothing quite like: > > > > 1.)
a low road bike bottom bracket > > 2.) long crank arms> > 3.) a fixed gear
> > 4.) a wide road pedal> > 5.) a cocky first time fixie rider> > > > all
entering a fast un-banked turn... to spell imminent disaster.> > > > I see
a painful learning curve on someone's horizon.> > A long fall from a tall b
ike. > > I like it :-)> > > > > > BOB HANSON, ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO, USA>
> > > > > > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's li
st of 2007's hott> est > > products.> > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-p
roducts-2007?NCID=aoltop000300000000> 01)> > ____________________________
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