RE: [CR]Paramount P-13 vs P-15

Example: Framebuilding:Norris Lockley

From: Thomas Dockery <>
To: "Scott L. Minneman" <>, "'David G. White'" <>, 'Classic Rendezvous' <>
Subject: RE: [CR]Paramount P-13 vs P-15
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:03:43 +0000
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Just thread reminds me of one of those missed opportunities........ I start ed my "Bike shop" career in 1978 at a shop in Belleville Illinois called Endres. On the top shelf of the shop there where two Paramounts, a P13 and P15. They had been there for 5-6 years so the owner, Ron, told me. He was perfectly happy to sell me one or both bikes for 250 each. At the time, Campy was an over priced brand and I was much happier with my 76 vintage, Huret Jubilee/Stronglight 93 equiped Raleigh Super Course....... how little I knew.....

Both bikes had centerpulls, the P13 had sew ups and the P15 clinchers and a Campy triple. One was chestnut the other a darker brown color......

Oh well........

Tom Dockery

Los Altos, CA> From:> To: whiteknight@burlingtontelecom. net;> Subject: RE: [CR]Paramount P-13 vs P-1 5> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:27:47 -0800> > In 1972 & 1973, Campagnolo brake s were still an extra-cost option on the> P-13 (a $50 option on a $350 bike , no less). Weinmann center-pulls> (Schwinn-branded) were standard. In 1976
   & 1977, Weinmann Carrera sidepulls> were standard -- Campagnolo brakes wer e *still* an extra-cost option.> > Campy brakes finally became standard equ ipment on the P-13 in 1978.> > Scott Minneman> San Francisco, CA - USA> > - ----Original Message-----> From:> [m] On Behalf Of David G. White> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:02 PM> To: Classic Rendezvous> Subject:
   [CR]Paramount P-13 vs P-15> > I'm researching the differences between the P-13 and P-15 circa 1972. > The Waterford website has a Paramount history t hat includes the following:> > Paramounts grew to five models:> > * P-10 - Deluxe Paramount - designed for non-competition road riding> and included f ront and rear eyelets, 27 x 1 1/4" clincher tires> and Weinmann center pull
   brakes. It usually came with Campagnolo> Record components. You could orde r it with Campy side pulls and/or> custom geometry as an option.> * P-11 - Paramount Tourist - designed for upright bars and> recreational rides. It w as available on a special order basis> only. The ladies version was designa ted P61.> * P-12 - This was the old designator for the Paramount Racer - no w> becoming the P10.> * P-13 - Road Racing Paramount - designed for competi tion, this> model came with tubulars and Campy sidepulls stock.> * P-14 - T rack - Full Campy track components including wide flange> hubs and tubular tired wheels.> * P-15 - Deluxe Paramount with 15 speeds (triple front chain rings).> Start with the P-10 and add a wide gear range (generally a Shimano
> or Huret) long cage derailleur.> > My question is: circa 1972 was there a ny difference between the frame of the> P-13 and the P-15 (tubing, geometry , etc)? Or were the differences solely> with regard to the equipment with w hich the bike was built?> > Best,> > David> > David G. White> Burlington, V T> > > _______________________________________________> Classicrendezvous m ailing list>> n/listinfo/classicrendezvous> > ___________________________________________ ____> Classicrendezvous mailing list>> http: //