Re: [CR]Paramount P-13 vs P-15 - followup question

Example: Framebuilders:Brian Baylis

Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:18:12 -0500
From: "David G. White" <>
To: Matthew T Churches <>
Subject: Re: [CR]Paramount P-13 vs P-15 - followup question
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OK. So the frame materials are the same -- but what about the geometry? Was there any difference between the frame of the "racing" P-13 and the "touring" P-15, other than dropout eyelets?


David G. White Burlington, VT

Matthew T Churches wrote:
> David,
> The P13 and P15 Paramounts materials were the same of that era (Nervex
> lugs and Reynolds 531 frame with Campagnolo droupouts). The P15 came
> set up as a triple crank and often with centerpull brakes, 27"
> clincher wheelsets, a wider range freewheel and different rear
> derailleur. The P15 also has eyelets on the front and rear were the
> P13 does not.
> I want a P15 to go with the P13 (two right now) and the P14 I
> currently own.
> Matt Churches
> Ann Arbor, MI
> David G. White writes:
>> I'm researching the differences between the P-13 and P-15 circa 1972.
>> The Waterford website has a Paramount history that includes the
>> following:
>> Paramounts grew to five models:
>> * P-10 - Deluxe Paramount - designed for non-competition road riding
>> and included front and rear eyelets, 27 x 1 1/4" clincher tires
>> and Weinmann center pull brakes. It usually came with Campagnolo
>> Record components. You could order it with Campy side pulls and/or
>> custom geometry as an option.
>> * P-11 - Paramount Tourist - designed for upright bars and
>> recreational rides. It was available on a special order basis
>> only. The ladies version was designated P61.
>> * P-12 - This was the old designator for the Paramount Racer - now
>> becoming the P10.
>> * P-13 - Road Racing Paramount - designed for competition, this
>> model came with tubulars and Campy sidepulls stock.
>> * P-14 - Track - Full Campy track components including wide flange
>> hubs and tubular tired wheels.
>> * P-15 - Deluxe Paramount with 15 speeds (triple front chainrings).
>> Start with the P-10 and add a wide gear range (generally a Shimano
>> or Huret) long cage derailleur.
>> My question is: circa 1972 was there any difference between the frame
>> of the P-13 and the P-15 (tubing, geometry, etc)? Or were the
>> differences solely with regard to the equipment with which the bike
>> was built?
>> Best,
>> David
>> David G. White
>> Burlington, VT