Hello Folks,
As Lemond is to Trek Helium is to Peugeot. Just another labwl to sell across the street from he main Peugeot dealership or a private label suspect. I have a white one a Rep gave me. The 650B White tires seem to be impossible to locate but otherwise kinda UO-8 quality with a few townie twists.
Fun looking machine.
Yours in Cycling,
Gilbert Anderson
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Today's Topics:
1. RE: Frame size/standards (Fred Rafael Rednor) 2. eBay confusion or corporate fraud? (bruce thomson) 3. Re: O.M.A.S. Titanio hubs (Wayne Davidson) 4. Pics of my chrome Paramount track bike (gene) 5. RE: Frame size/standards (Mark Bulgier) 6. re: eBay confusion or corporate fraud (LTravers) 7. does a hairnet really do anything for you (Sean Flores) 8. Re: does a hairnet really do anything for you (Chuck Schmidt) 9. Re: Direction of cotters (Julius Naim) 10. Re: does a hairnet really do anything for you (billungardesign@juno.com) 11. 2007 Cirque du Cyclisme schedule, entry form & housing info is UP! 12. HELIUM TOURING BIKE -on ebay (Pete Geurds) 13. Re: does a hairnet really do anything for you (kyle-chrisbrooks) 14. re: HELIUM TOURING BIKE -on ebay (Joel flood) 15. Dropout spacers for rear fork cold setting (philip bailey) 16. Magneet on Craigslist (Marty Eison)
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:41:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: RE: [CR]Frame size/standards
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> Fred Rednor wrote (snipped):
>> C-t-C tells you nothing
>> about the true frame size, unless you're also supplied
>> with the diameter of the top tube [...]
>
> Uh, no disrespect intended, but I believe your argument is
> circular. We
> are trying to define what the "true framesize" is, and many
> believe that
> is the C-T. To those folks, the true framesize is the C-T,
> and the tube
> diameter is quite irrelevant.
>
> I'm pretty ambivalent about this argument because I think it
> is so
> unimportant, but I have always used C-T and see no reason to
> change.
> C-T tells you two things directly that C-C tells you only
> indirectly or
> not at all: How long a seat tube is needed to build the
> frame, and how
> long a seatpost will be needed given the rider's saddle
> height. All the
> points in favor of C_C seem pretty theoretical to me - I
> haven't seen a
> real practical advantage to it.
>
> Mark Bulgier
> Seattle WA USA
"To those folks, the true framesize is the C-T, and the tube diameter is quite irrelevant." Mark, I think if you read my orginal message again, you'll see that this quote from your message is exactly what I was pointing out. Plus, the entire thrust of your message seems to agree with my point. Perhaps you have misread my abbreviation for center-to-center? I wrote "c-t-c" to indicate "center to center." By implication, "center-to-top" would be "c-t-t." Perhaps your abbreviations "C-T" and C-C" are clearer to you, but I don't see any disagreement in our arguments. Best regards, Fred Rednor - Arlngton, Virginia (USA)
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:15:57 -0800 (PST) From: bruce thomson <masi3v4me@yahoo.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]eBay confusion or corporate fraud? Message-ID: <20070212051557.9850.qmail@web51608.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 2
Listers, I just won an auction. I should be somewhat happy but there seems to be a great disparity in the way the bidding progressed. See this auction number, 280079818333 and then compare it to # 280071469315 . Look at the bid history on both. The first time the auction closed, the reserve was not met. The second bidder was right behind me and my bid was increased by the incremental amount of $5.00 over his bid. Now that auction (the second number that I listed), closed without meeting reserve. I bid a good bit more than the amount closed for and since I did not have the hot competition, the reserve was not met. The second re-listed auction is the problem. The closest bidder I had was at $175.00 and when the auction closed, it did not bring the price up to $180.00 (though I had bid more), but increased the bid BY $125.00 TO CLOSE AT $400.00. Is this an attempt to collect higher final value fees by eBay "pinging" the reserve price then meeting it at my expense? What happened??? I have had this happen before, but not to such a glaring spread. Whats happppppennninggggg.........?????
Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204 (509) 747 4314 Masi3v4me@yahoo.com
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:04:52 +1300 From: Wayne Davidson <wayne.collect@xtra.co.nz> To: Emanuel Lowi <lowiemanuel@yahoo.ca>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]O.M.A.S. Titanio hubs Message-ID: <C1F66AD4.1C2FC%wayne.collect@xtra.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <920428.48785.qm@web50506.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3
Hi, Ti axles only, I've owned 2 pair over time, my Rigi still has a pr fitted......regards wayne davidson Invers NZ.............
on 12/2/07 9:34 AM, Emanuel Lowi at lowiemanuel@yahoo.ca wrote:
> Anyone know if the O.M.A.S. Titanio version of the Big
> Slidng hubs have titanium shells, ti axles, or is it the QR
> that is ti?
>
> Emanuiel Lowi
> Montreal, Quebec
>
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:35:13 -0800 From: gene <genebalk@gmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Pics of my chrome Paramount track bike Message-ID: <5440a0c40702112235w620d2a03y1715c503001c32d9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4
I promised to post pics of my newly acquired Paramount track bike a while back, and I've finally gotten it cleaned up enough to take a couple pics, minus the pedals and bars. The bars are really a rusty mess, and I am probably going to re-chrome them, and also put on a new set of decals as the originals aren't in such great shape, and then I'll take nicer pics in daylight. But I just thought I'd share these now as some folks here had asked to see the bike:
http://img179.imageshack.us/
http://img179.imageshack.us/
Gene Balk Seattle,WA
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:35:54 -0800 From: "Mark Bulgier" <Mark@bulgier.net> To: "Fred Rafael Rednor" <fred_rednor@yahoo.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]Frame size/standards Message-ID: <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A9070643B2@hippy.home.here> In-Reply-To: <677451.63575.qm@web30609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A9070643AF@hippy.home.here> <677451.63575.qm@web30609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5
After I completely mis-read Fred Rednor's post and stupidly criticized
it, he (Fred) wrote:
> Mark,
> I think if you read my orginal message again, you'll see
> that this quote from your message is exactly what I was
> pointing out. Plus, the entire thrust of your message seems to
> agree with my point. Perhaps you have misread my abbreviation
> for center-to-center? I wrote "c-t-c" to indicate "center to
> center." By implication, "center-to-top" would be "c-t-t."
> Perhaps your abbreviations "C-T" and C-C" are clearer to you,
> but I don't see any disagreement in our arguments.
Whoops!
Quite so, and a thousand pardons. Really sloppy reading on my part, please forgive.
I thought that little voice was saying "don't get involved in this argument" when it was probably trying to say "re-read what Fred was saying"
Mark "I don't listen to those voices in my head" Bulgier Seattle WA USA ------------------------------
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:40:07 -0600
From: LTravers <lat7575@swbell.net>
To: masi3v4me@yahoo.com
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]re: eBay confusion or corporate fraud
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>
> Listers, I just won an auction. I should be somewhat happy but there
> seems to be a great disparity in the way the bidding progressed. See
> this auction number, 280079818333 and then compare it to #
> 280071469315 . Look at the bid history on both. The first time the
> auction closed, the reserve was not met. The second bidder was right
> behind me and my bid was increased by the incremental amount of $5.00
> over
> his bid. Now that auction (the second number that I listed), closed
> without meeting reserve. I bid a good bit more than the amount closed
> for
> and since I did not have the hot competition, the reserve was not met.
> The second re-listed auction is the problem. The closest bidder I
> had
> was at $175.00 and when the auction closed, it did not bring the price
> up
> to $180.00 (though I had bid more), but increased the bid BY $125.00 TO
> CLOSE AT $400.00. Is this an attempt to collect higher final value
> fees
> by eBay "pinging" the reserve price then meeting it at my expense?
> What
> happened??? I have had this happen before, but not to such a glaring
> spread. Whats happppppennninggggg.........?????
>
>
> Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204
You hit the reserve at $400. It only increments a set amount as long as
the reserve is not met. Once someone bids at or over reserve, it jumps
to it. Should more bids come in, it reverts to incrementing a set
amount.
-- Lynn Travers Hazelwood, MO
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:54:51 -0800 From: Sean Flores <seaneee175@gmail.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR] does a hairnet really do anything for you Message-ID: <C1F54F3B.5672%seaneee175@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7
Okay, without getting into a crazy safety discussion or the merits of helmets, I have a pretty surface level question (and would love to keep it as such). Do hairnet type helmets do anything for you? Is there any merit to them?
Thanks.
Sean Flores San Francisco, CA
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:02:26 -0800 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: CR RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR] does a hairnet really do anything for you Message-ID: <032E62FD-8268-43F1-A15C-AF43C9D7926E@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <C1F54F3B.5672%seaneee175@gmail.com> References: <C1F54F3B.5672%seaneee175@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8
Sean Flores wrote:
> Okay, without getting into a crazy safety discussion or the merits of
> helmets, I have a pretty surface level question (and would love to
> keep it
> as such). Do hairnet type helmets do anything for you? Is there
> any merit
> to them?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sean Flores
> San Francisco, CA
There's a reason they are referred to as hairnets. I used a Cinelli hairnet before real helmets came out (Bell Biker, Bell V-1 and then a Giro) and never looked back. Some still ride without a helmet so "knock yurself out" as they say.
Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, CA USA http://www.velo-retro.com (reprints, t-shirts & timelines)
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:03:53 +0000 From: Julius Naim <julius.naim@gmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: Direction of cotters Message-ID: <9F4C3961-53DE-4EE5-98EB-5F0E83F47225@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <MONKEYFOODt8NI79sCq0000505b@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> References: <MONKEYFOODt8NI79sCq0000505b@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9
It doesn't seem to make a huge amount of difference as long as you fit them in opposite directions. I used to always fit them with the pin facing down with the pedal to the front as it looked neater, the last time I fitted them the other way and have noticed a lot more play after a number of hard miles. I believe that this is due to the predominant (driving) force being on the thin end of the cotter so will revert to pedal-forward/pin-down in the future.
All the best,
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:02:38 GMT From: "billungardesign@juno.com" <billungardesign@juno.com> To: seaneee175@gmail.com Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] does a hairnet really do anything for you Message-ID: <20070212.000335.6134.1905802@webmail06.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10
Hi Sean, As former wearer of a hairnet helmet (patent leather/black/made by Cinel li etc), back when I was racing in the 70's, I can tell you that these h elmets (which changed little from those in earlier decades) probably wou ld not have helped at all had I (or any of my fellow racers - also requi red to use them by the USCF) had a serious impact fall onto the pavement , etc.
We always heard rumors to this effect, and that these helmets would prim arily help us only if our heads dragged along the ground or we fell ever so gingerly on these lightly padded "helmets" (fortunately never had ei ther happen).
As you probably know, European road racers from the late eighties on bac k, rode helmetless, and only went so far as to use the hairnet (with or without cloth cap on top), on rougher roads and cobbles, such as Paris-R oubois. Track riders generally always wore hairnets as a rule from I thi nk the 30's until more recent times.
As much as it seemed there was a machismo factor with European racers no t wearing helmets (my life is not as important as winning this race), I think there was mainly the factor of there not being a helmet made that was light enough to not be a distraction or cause neck fatigue. Of cours e the introduction of the Giro helmet changed all that. Hope this helps. Bill Ungar Torrance, CA USA
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 03:23:47 -0500 From: oroboyz@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]2007 Cirque du Cyclisme schedule, entry form & housing info is UP! Message-ID: <8C91C9640BE76DD-1F64-21BC@WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <C1F54F3B.5672%seaneee175@gmail.com> References: <C1F54F3B.5672%seaneee175@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11
Check it out!
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I have just updated the schedule of events, from "Fixie" ride, to Charity Auction, to Seminars, Banquet, Tour De Guilford to the big Swap meet & Bike Show on Sunday....
And as you have probably heard, this will be the last Cirque I organize. After 10 years, I am calling it quits! Someone else may take the "franchise", so to speak, and do their own version of the Cirque eleswhere... We hope to announce that, yea or naye,at the event in June.
Meanwhile, if you have intended on attending but haven't gotten around to it, you had better plan to make it this year! It will certainly be a Grand gathering, something worth being a part of!
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 06:49:47 -0500 From: "Pete Geurds" <raleighpro@dejazzd.com> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]HELIUM TOURING BIKE -on ebay Message-ID: <058101c74e9b$e53aec90$6401a8c0@peter5x12klm15> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12
Item number: 230090337218 Trash or treasure? Is the sellers claim of 60's vintage right? 650 tires, 4 speed, and top tube shifter make me think it's older. Maybe someone better versed in older French bikes can get closer on the date?
http://ebay.com/
Pete Geurds Douglassville, Pa
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:13:56 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: kyle-chrisbrooks <kyle-chrisbrooks@earthlink.net> To: Sean Flores <seaneee175@gmail.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] does a hairnet really do anything for you Message-ID: <5174297.1171282436743.JavaMail.root@elwamui- hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: kyle-chrisbrooks <kyle-chrisbrooks@earthlink.net> Message: 13
I always heard that in a serious crash a hairnet might help hold the pieces together to aid in identification of the body.
Does that count as a "merit"?
Certainly, you're no worse off than going bare-headed, but don't kid yourself that it's any better.
On a leisurely vintage bike ride, there might be some style points, but that's about it.
Kyle "Still has a Brancale Hairnet But Doesn't Overestimate its Usefulness" Brooks Akron, OH
-----Original Message-----
> From: Sean Flores <seaneee175@gmail.com>
> Sent: Feb 12, 2007 1:54 AM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR] does a hairnet really do anything for you
>
> Okay, without getting into a crazy safety discussion or the merits of
> helmets, I have a pretty surface level question (and would love to
> keep it
> as such). Do hairnet type helmets do anything for you? Is there any
> merit
> to them?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sean Flores
> San Francisco, CA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:18:24 -0500 From: "Joel flood" <joel.p.flood@gmail.com> To: classicrendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: re: [CR]HELIUM TOURING BIKE -on ebay Message-ID: <2f8a962f0702120518u385bd51fjddf18a5dc6f50153@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14
It is mid to late 1960s. it was for sale at the Westminster Swap in Maryland a few weeks ago. treasure or treasure is somewhat subjective when it comes to Peugeots, because that is basically what it is, notice the decals. steel wheels, svelto rear derailleur. it is a city bike, alloy fenders are nice though, maybe for another project. joel flood phialdelphia, pa
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 06:49:47 -0500 Subject: [CR]HELIUM TOURING BIKE -on ebay
Item number: 230090337218 Trash or treasure? Is the sellers claim of 60's vintage right? 650 tires, 4 speed, and top tube shifter make me think it's older. Maybe someone better versed in older French bikes can get closer on the date?
http://ebay.com/
Pete Geurds Douglassville, Pa ------------------------------
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:24:42 -0500 From: "philip bailey" <bailey.philip@gmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Dropout spacers for rear fork cold setting Message-ID: <47b23c0b0702120524h11531272u59a036932b193608@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15
Could someone reveal what part you use for dropout spacer fine adjustments for rear fork cold setting; and a linked part number source if possible?
Maybe the best thing is to cold set to exact width required, but the final alignment with Parks tool may slightly change spacing again. And then again, this difference may be negligible - ???
Thank You, Phil Bailey Sarasota, FL
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:33:14 -0600 From: "Marty Eison" <meison01@gmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Magneet on Craigslist Message-ID: <7d49b7530702120533o48993746y7f4d9b08a72a31ab@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16
Dan Kehew wrote "The sort of listing I don't see on Craigslist every day. Is it worth $250? I have no idea. Not to me, at the moment, is the least I can say."
While Magneet is rather unusual I'd say No, it's not worth $250. kickstand, low level campy components, brake safety levers all speak to a bike boom era low end bike.
Marty Eison Frisco, Texas
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