Re: [CR]Mysteries of framebuilding


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From: "brianbaylis@juno.com" <brianbaylis@juno.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:17:40 GMT
To: bobhoveyga@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CR]Mysteries of framebuilding
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Bob,

Albert is somewhat like you describe. But his main interest is in the

new bikes they are building at any given time. One reason. There is no

money in the older bikes. Only the current bikes generate income. The

old bikes are just attached to people who want to know more about them

and waste his time asking questions. I found Ernesto Colnago to be

exactly the same way, upon the one occasion I had the opportunity to

ask him if there were any early 70's bikes floating around in Italy.

As a musician myself, I have to give a different perspective on

performing music. During the process of playing music, at least for me

it requires a lot of concentration. Also the balance of the entire

presentation is not best heard from my vantage point. I have to admit,

listening to recordings of performances and rehearsals is something I

enjoy tremendously. Two reasons. I can hear the entire work from the

perspective of the audience. Second, it is by far the best way to hear

what needs to be improved or hear the things I didn't hear while

performing the music. 90% of the music I listen to are recording of

groups I've played with over the years. Actually more satisfying than

playing the music, which for me involves a certain amount of stress

and intense concentration.

Insofar as framebuilding goes; my primary joy is in building the bike

and using my brains and my hands to create it. To have others tell me

they love their bike or think my work is great is good and all that;

but it does not compare to actually doing the work. Riding my bikes is

fun too; but I have LOTS of great bikes and most of them are a joy to

ride. Builders who only ride their own bikes are very shortsighted and

stand to miss a lot that can be learned from other peoples work.

Making lots of bikes for oneself is great also. I've made over 50

bikes for myself over the last 35 years. That's how you learn. Ride

everything. Make a variety of bikes and learn as much as you can about

each one that is within your area of interest.

Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA


-- "Bob Hovey" wrote:


Oh, and there's more to the story... this lady went for years trying

to

figure out ways NOT to sell her work. She gave quilts to relatives,

then

friends, then her doctor, dentist, and hairdresser. When her output

finally

outstripped her supply of friends, she would just spread the most

recent

quilt on the bed in her guest room. When I met her, they went at

least two

dozen deep on that bed. But still her attitude remained that she was

not

going to pollute her one real joy in life by taking money for it. In

the

back of her mind I think she knew that they would get sold someday,

just not

by her... perhaps her daughter would sell them after she died to put

her

granchildren thru college or something.

The return she got from her quilting brings up an interesting point,

one

that's worth examining because we all know that almost no one becomes

a

framebuilder thinking they will make a lot of money... almost everyone

has

other reasons, some of them perhaps bordering on compulsion. So what

is the

primary source of satisfaction artists and craftsmen get from their

work? I

know quite a few painters who admire the work they've done and always

keep a

few of their best pieces on the wall (if they can afford to), and I

know

many craftsmen who enjoy using the objects they create, including

quite a

few framebuilders who really enjoy riding their own bikes.

But I know other artists who could care less about a piece once it is

done.

For them, the only real joy is in the doing, and once a work is

completed it

becomes an object like any other and they exhibit a peculiar

disconnection

or even disdain for the piece. Several folks have mentioned on the

list

that Eisentraut may be a bit like this, he seems to display no

interest at

all in his past work and expresses amusement and puzzlement over those

who

do. Perhaps these people are more like musicians than traditional

artists... because once the last note of a piece of music fades, it is

no

more. All that is left for the musician who only feels truly alive

when he

is playing is to continually look to the next song.

Bob Hovey Columbus, GA

Brian Writes:

If I could do as the quilter did (alas, I'm not a receptionist), I would do so also. The pleasure and satisfaction of spending enough time on a frame to make it purposful and unique at the same time is satisfaction enough to feed the soul and give purpose to life. The only standards that I have lowered in order to continue as I do are my standard of living. There are other ways to approach the situation, but the system I abide by works for me.

Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA


-- BobHoveyGa@aol.com wrote:


<snipped> I knew a wonderful quilter who worked as a receptionist and gave her quilts away only to those she felt would appreciate them. She would spend several hundred hours on a quilt and for her it was all about love, so she was not about to hand it over to strangers for money.

Bob Hovey
Columbus, GA USA