[CR]Fake GIOS -> Miele -> Gardin?


Example: History:Norris Lockley

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To: grant.mclean@sympatico.ca, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:53:57 -0400
In-Reply-To:
From: oroboyz@aol.com
Subject: [CR]Fake GIOS -> Miele -> Gardin?

<< This source for these copies was found to be Jim Miele.?

When he went out of business a couple of years later, there were?

all kinds of decals and lugs in boxes in their warehouse. >>

So... that was before his reincarnation and second (?) run as a bike builder? I sold Miele bikes in the early 1990s IIRC. They were "very Italian" style.? And it seems not so very long ago (5-6 years?) that a huge pile of Miele bike "makings" were sold off...

Now, Gardin was started up about what year and went out of biz when?? The Gardin bike that Mike Barry brought to the Cirque this year (It won the "Best Pantographing" award) was really cool. I wish I had taken a bunch of pics of it!

Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA

-----Original Message----- From: Grant McLean <grant.mclean@sympatico.ca> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 5:42 pm Subject: [CR]GIOS story as told to me

Stephen,? ?

That story jives with what i've heard.? ?

Some more digging around, and I came up with a contact who?

purchased about 100 of these frame copies. He had been getting?

authentic Gios stuff for a couple of years in small qty's from the?

American distributor shipped to Canada. Around '88 or '89,?

the frames that showed up were suddenly poor quality copies,?

and phone calls to the distributor went unanswered, and then they?

disappeared. This source for these copies was found to be Jim Miele.?

When he went out of business a couple of years later, there were?

all kinds of decals and lugs in boxes in their warehouse.? ?

Earlier I suggested Gardin may have built some frames, but now i'm?

thinking that's not the case. My contact worked at both places,?

and as both guys had gone out of business a couple of times, i think?

i mixed up some parts of the history. He assured me it was Miele.? ?

Grant McLean?

Toronto, Canada? ?

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From: "The Maaslands" <TheMaaslands(AT)comcast.net>?

Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:14:57 -0400?

Subject: [CR]GIOS story as told to me? ?

I worked for one of the German distributors of Gios in the late 80's and?

early 90's and spoke to Alfredo about this. He told me that a North?

American distributor had (illegally according to him) registered the?

brand GIOS in the US without him knowing. When they dropped the?

distributor, the distributor felt it to be his legal right to continue?

to sell Gios bikes. It took an expensive legal action to resolve the?

matter. I don't know if it went to court or an out-of-court agreement?

was reached, but for many years the rights to the GIOS name in North?

America were in doubt.? ?

Steven Maasland?

Moorestown, NJ?

USA?
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