[CR]Mixte/Ladies Top Tube Length


Example: Framebuilders:Alex Singer

Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:51:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: randy dugan <rsdugan@yahoo.com>
To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: [CR]Mixte/Ladies Top Tube Length


I agree with Fred. My converted Schwinn Voyageur has Nitto 3-speed bars on it. I find myself

riding with my hands on the curves, ahead of the g rips, as the original 10cm stem is far too short

with the swept-back bars. A long top tube (virtual or otherwise) would be the most elegant sol ution.

Cheers,

Randy Dugan

LA today, CA


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Michael,

My theory about the long top tu bes on "lady's frames" is

that those bikes were designed for use with swept back

handlebars; i.e the same bars as used on 3-speed style bicy cles

or those nice French touring handlebars. Either way, a short

top tube would bring the bars too close to the rider's knees.

I wonder if Jan Heine has ever discussed this with Ernest

Czuka (of Sing er) who seems to have built a number of very high

quality "lady's fram es".

Cheers,

Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)


> I recently sold some womens frames since nobody around me
> wante d to ride
> the complete bikes. So I decided to part them out. In


> measuring i found
> out that they are relatively long. As an exam ple a 51 frame
> had a 57cm
> toptube-length. My conclusion was t hat they made the seat
> tube shorter
> for use of a longer seatp ost in order to obtain a shorter and
> therefore
> stiffer rear t riangle to compensate for the loss of stiffness
> due to the
> lo wered toptube. I might be wrong here since I am not a
> geometry exper t.
> My girlfriends always prefers mens frames for better handling


> qualities
> and a stiffer ride. Whenever I tried to ride a womens bike it
> felt
> sloopy and not stable. I think it does not make sense to
> alter the well
> constructed mens diamond frame setup in a race bike just to
> make it
> easier to mount the bike with out having to lift your leg over
> the
> saddle. It makes some se nse in city or touring bikes when
> women ride
> with a skirt but I have never seen a woman ride a race bike
> with a
> skirt. My impression is also that those bikes were mostly
> bought by men
> for ther wives in order to get them into riding but then
> those bike s are
> never ridden. All women I know who ride seriously ride mens



> frames.....