[CR]Mixte/Ladies Top Tube Length

Example: Framebuilders:Alex Singer

Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:51:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: randy dugan <rsdugan@yahoo.com>
To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: [CR]Mixte/Ladies Top Tube Length

I agree with Fred. My converted Schwinn Voyageur has Nitto 3-speed bars on it. I find myself

riding with my hands on the curves, ahead of the g rips, as the original 10cm stem is far too short

with the swept-back bars. A long top tube (virtual or otherwise) would be the most elegant sol ution.


Randy Dugan

LA today, CA



My theory about the long top tu bes on "lady's frames" is

that those bikes were designed for use with swept back

handlebars; i.e the same bars as used on 3-speed style bicy cles

or those nice French touring handlebars. Either way, a short

top tube would bring the bars too close to the rider's knees.

I wonder if Jan Heine has ever discussed this with Ernest

Czuka (of Sing er) who seems to have built a number of very high

quality "lady's fram es".


Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)

> I recently sold some womens frames since nobody around me
> wante d to ride
> the complete bikes. So I decided to part them out. In

> measuring i found
> out that they are relatively long. As an exam ple a 51 frame
> had a 57cm
> toptube-length. My conclusion was t hat they made the seat
> tube shorter
> for use of a longer seatp ost in order to obtain a shorter and
> therefore
> stiffer rear t riangle to compensate for the loss of stiffness
> due to the
> lo wered toptube. I might be wrong here since I am not a
> geometry exper t.
> My girlfriends always prefers mens frames for better handling

> qualities
> and a stiffer ride. Whenever I tried to ride a womens bike it
> felt
> sloopy and not stable. I think it does not make sense to
> alter the well
> constructed mens diamond frame setup in a race bike just to
> make it
> easier to mount the bike with out having to lift your leg over
> the
> saddle. It makes some se nse in city or touring bikes when
> women ride
> with a skirt but I have never seen a woman ride a race bike
> with a
> skirt. My impression is also that those bikes were mostly
> bought by men
> for ther wives in order to get them into riding but then
> those bike s are
> never ridden. All women I know who ride seriously ride mens

> frames.....