I'm pretty sure the stem is legit (i.e., not homemade). I've seen it before, I think on Super Pantografata models.
I've never seen those brake levers before, but they may be legit. I say that because I have seen photos of levers with the same tiny club panto.
The milled calipers are "irregular" in the sense that the groove on the upper part of the rear arm is missing, and the groove on the right side of the front arm is shorter than normal. But milled calipers in this style were definitely used by Colnago in the late 70's to early 80's.
Apart from the mish-mosh of parts, and the non-original fork (I agree with Charles that this is not a Colnago fork), I noticed that there are bosses for a second bottle cage on the seat tube. I think these were added on because Colnagos of this time period only had bosses for one cage, and the bosses themselves look different (taller) than the ones on the down tube.
A proper Colnago fork would not be too hard to find, but the frame decals, as Charles said, just don't look good on this frame, so to me, this bike is only worth a little more than the value of it's parts.
Ray Dobbins Miami FL USA
oroboyz@aol.com wrote:
Charles wrote: << The stem, in particular, would never have shown up as original equipment on this frame. The levers are interesting, I've not seen that panto scheme before, but based on the look of it, I'd say it goes with an early 80-s frame. >>
That stem...Hmm... the script style 'Colnago' lettering strikes me as being off. Is that something they did?? Combined with the odd brake levers pantographing, it makes me wonder if this isn't some home brewed panto work...
I am trying to remember when Rick Weiler stopped painting frames. Seems like it was longer ago than 1997. Anyone recall?
Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA http://www.classicrendezvous.com
-----Original Message----- From: chasds@mindspring.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 5:49 pm Subject: [CR]ebay outing: colnago super
in my usual weekly glance at *colnago super* on ebay, I came across this interesting beast:
This bike is an object example of why I'd love to get a vintage Colnago site up and running, because a number of things about this bike are just not right. The stem, in particular, would never have shown up as original equipment on this frame. The levers are interesting, I've not seen that panto scheme before, but based on the look of it, I'd say it goes with an early 80-s frame.
The milled brakes might have shown up as early as '77, but would be more commonly seen on an early 80s bike.
But the oddest thing about the frame is the fork. With no stampings of any kind on the crown, and the shape of the blades and the bend, I can't help thinking this is a replacement fork.
If it's not a replacement fork, it's the first Colnago fork I've seen from that period with no stampings on the crown whatever. The late 60s/early 70s Supers came with a smooth crown, but there were dimples at the corners, and it was shaped differently.
The repaint looks ok, but the graphics, while seemingly accurate, aren't very attractive.
A more realistic, shoot-from-the-hip price for this bike would be under a grand, but not much under. the rear derailleur, the stem, and the now impossible-to-get orange-tread Conti Sprinters would be nice to have, but don't get the bike over a grand...and that fork makes me scratch my head.
I always wonder in these situations just how much the seller knows, but isn't telling, or if the seller is just spinning what he does know as well as he can...