[CR]RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 57, Issue 10

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From: "Doug Smith" <douguk2007@hotmail.co.uk>
To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <nic.henderson@ntworld.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:15:57 +0000
In-Reply-To: <MONKEYFOODzAVOkdPQW00003c79@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org>
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Subject: [CR]RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 57, Issue 10

Nic No they were a very poor example of a decent light especially when during t he war the clear lenses had to be half blacked out as was the outer body. T he poor lighting I think it was due to the reflector which when new was fai rly good but with the heat of flame soon discoloured this. The plate became an extra protection for the outer chrome casing getting too hot.

I still have a few they are nothing but ornaments now and no one appears to be interested in collecting them. Having said that they do mark up a fair sum at antique shops and auctions.

Hang them on the dining room wall someone said ,who ever thought they would end up like that!!

Doug Smith North Dorset UK


> From: classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org> Subject: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 57, Issue 10> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 15:55:24 -0700> > Send Classicrendezvous mailing list submissions to> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the W orld Wide Web, visit> http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrende zvous> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> classi crendezvous-request@bikelist.org> > You can reach the person managing the l ist at> classicrendezvous-owner@bikelist.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Classicrend ezvous digest..."> > > CR> > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Re: Re: ]WTB 50's St yle 3 Gear Cog (mark assaf)> 2. 27 1/4 Gentleman rims (Jim Ready)> 3. Re: E ddy Merckx Molteni frame on german ebay (Chuck Schmidt)> 4. acetylene lamp (bmaster flex)> 5. Carton text question (kim klakow)> 6. Re: acetylene lamp (Ken Sanford)> 7. Re: Carton text question (Hilary Stone)> 8. re: acetylen e lamps (Nic Henderson)> 9. RE:Who built this beauty? (Stefan Goeres)> 10. Eddy Merckx bicycle serial numbers... (Chuck Schmidt)> 11. Who built this b eauty? (nelson miller)> 12. Re: So who is coming to Velo Rendezvous 7 ??? ( Wayne Bingham)> 13. eBay: Sheldon Brown's 23" E.G.Bates Frameset (Sheldon B rown)> 14. Re: eBay: Sheldon Brown's 23" E.G.Bates Frameset (Chuck Schmidt)
> 15. new batch being cooked and taking orders> 16. Mark DiNucci-built Merz on Bike Forums (Ed Granger)> 17. FS: Assorted Producti ol'stuffi (Mark Rit z)> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---> > Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:13:56 -0700> From: mark assaf <mark@scienc emonster.net>> To: Mark Stonich <bikesmith@earthlink.net>> Cc: classicrende zvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Re: ]WTB 50's Style 3 Gear Cog> Me ssage-ID: <46DC5CF4.3090900@sciencemonster.net>> In-Reply-To: <E1ISFrX-0005 MZ-00@pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net>> References: <MONKEYFOODMrEUwXyvW0000 3b30@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org>> <46DB820D.8090809@sciencemonster.net>> <E1IS FrX-0005MZ-00@pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; ch arset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-En coding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 1> > Thanks for your exhaustive an swers - this stuff is really hard to > research. I hadn't realized that a ' driver' was part of the hub. > Although mechanically inclined, I am new to bikes so I still have to get > up to speed on the terminology.> > I don't t hink I would be up to changing out an AW axle, but since my > back rim is n ot original anyway, I am going to use a roadster AW which > has the long ax le in it already, and build it up with an aluminum rim. I > don't know that I would ever find a Dunlop light weight to match the > front anyway.> > Ma rk> > > > > -- > mark assaf> 109 clarendon road> burlingame ca 94010> (650) 343-7068> http://www.sciencemonster.net> ebay:sciencemonster> aim:evldad666> yaho o:notmathbright> > Mark Stonich wrote:> > At 9/2/2007 08:39 PM -0700, mark assaf wrote:> >> You hit the nail on the head - someone emailed me with a 3 speed > >> freewheel, an Atom, and that seems perfect> > > > As long as it has English threads.> > > >> - the gears are exactly what an old fart need s - a 19 for cruising, a > >> 21 for hills, plus a 16 for those rare occasi ons I feel spry.> > > > The most common (at least in the US) Cyclo Benelux is 15-19-23. I've > > never even seen a closer ratio one. (In my case, the 15 will be purely > > decorative. :-))> > > >> Not sure what you mean about interchangability - how can a spined and > >> a threaded cog be interchang ed? The clubman has threads on it for the > >> cog - I had never seen one l ike that on any of the other 12 3 speeds I > >> have.> > > > I meant that i t only takes a few minutes to swap drivers between hubs. > > Many older hub s have had the drivers replaced as they do wear out. So I > > don't conside r replacing them to be much less "original" than using > > newer tires or c hains.> > > > I'm all for any modification that lets us old guys keep ridin g, at > > least any that can be easily undone. But with a derailleur on a C lubman, > > no one is going to notice that the driver isn't original.> > >
>> Also - that two cogs on at the same time - that looks pretty ballsy! > >
> Does that really work!?!?> > > > Two on a threaded driver sounds iffy but two on a splined one is rock > > solid. The only thing to watch out for is that some older SA 22t cogs > > have an odd tooth shape, very "pointy" whe n viewed from the side. These > > will skip when used with a derailleur. I have the right type, NOS, if > > you want one.> > > >> I'd love to try that , however I have to stick with 1/8 chain to > >> preserve the front chain w heel.> > > > Could be a problem with some older chains, but not with newer 1/8" > > ones. If you try the idea with one cassette cog, use a SRAM chain. > > With two dished 3 speed cogs any newer chain will work.> > > > > > Mar k Stonich;> > BikeSmith Design & Fabrication> > 5349 Elliot Ave S. - Minnea polis. MN 55417> > Ph. (612) 824-2372 http://bikesmithdesign.com> > http:// mnhpva.org > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 12:18:25 -0700> From: "Jim Ready" <jimr@rfj.com>> To: <classicrendezv ous@bikelist.org>> Subject: [CR]27 1/4 Gentleman rims> Message-ID: <04bf01c 7ee5f$34466180$0701a8c0@VALUED3253602F>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset ="iso-8859-1"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Message: 2> > I am lo oking for a 32-hole 27 1/4 inch Super Champion (blue Super > Champion oval logo decal) Gentleman rim> with a polished finish. I want to match a 40-hol e rear that I have. New > or used, either is> ok.> > Thanks,> > Jim Ready> Cupertino, CA> > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipar t/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> ------------ ------------------> > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 12:36:45 -0700> From: Chuck Sch midt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>> To: CR RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bik elist.org>> Subject: Re: [CR]Eddy Merckx Molteni frame on german ebay> Mess age-ID: <7B525864-D61A-4680-94F0-95DEEB6A0FE0@earthlink.net>> In-Reply-To: <7D1D2EA0-5153-43B5-8B3F-F5987572452A@cadre.org>> References: <E1ISAPg-0000 5F-6B@elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net>> <7D1D2EA0-5153-43B5-8B3F-F598 7572452A@cadre.org>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp= yes; format=flowed> MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2)> C ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 3> > Ha, ha, ha. .. look like the frame even has a top of down tube braze- > on for aero-mou nt down tube shifters!!!> > Chuck Schmidt> South Pasadena, CA USA> > > On S ep 3, 2007, at 5:37 AM, Jeremy Rauch wrote:> > > Looks like a normal, pre-8 5 Merckx frame -- with a little Photoshop> > trickery on the bottom bracket , you can just make out an E on the > > non-drive> > side. 1985 would be a Z, 86/87 an A, and subsequent pairs of years go> > from there. ( http://www.cadre. org/Merckx/ for more details)> >> > Merckx used that style of bottom bracke t through at least 1986/87, > > and the> > seat cluster on most frames thro ugh the end of its steel line. The > > flat top> > fork seems to disappear in 1986, though the 10th anniversary frame > > a few> > years later does ha ve one.> >> > I see no reason at all to suspect this frame wasn't built in the > > Merckx factory.> > I do, however, see plenty of reasons to be cauti ous about where you > > get> > your frame refinished...> >> > Jeremy Rauch> > Brooklyn, NY> >> > On Sep 3, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Roman Stankus wrote:> >>
>> Merckx had connections with De Rosa and that frame has a number of > >> typical> >> details and parts typically found on De Rosas from the 80's and > >> maybe into> >> the 90's. The bottom bracket(the milled pattern), seat cluster, > >> and fork> >> crown being some. I have no idea who built the frame. Too bad > >> about the bad> >> paint job!> >>> >> Roman Stankus> >> Atlanta, Ga. USA> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message-----> >>> From: classic rendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org> >>> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bike list.org] On Behalf Of Schmid> >>> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 7:36 AM
> >>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> >>> Subject: [CR]Eddy Merckx Molt eni frame on german ebay> >>>> >>> Dear Listmember,> >>> Some days ago i po nted out a auction of german ebay for a> >>> Edyy Merckx frame in molteni c olours.> >>> Now the seller added this info:> >>> "According to feedback fr om several collecrors is that frame> >>> type a very special tedition, once custom-built by Ernesto> >>> Colnago for Eddy Merckx, based on a Colnago S uper> >>> Model.thanks to the community for this information. "> >>>> >>> S ee the auction again here http://tinyurl.com/yrluvx or ebay item > >>> No:> >>> 150156626529.> >>> Was there such an Merckx frame built by Colnago?> >
>> The seller confirmed upon request that the frame was> >>> powdercoated i n the process of restauration. All the details> >>> like braze on front cha nger plate, top tube brake cable> >>> guides say it is 80ies frame . Does a nybody her know more?> >>>> >>> Regards,> >>> Michael Schmid> >>> Oberammer gau> >>> Germany> >>> Tel.: +49 8821 798790> >>> Fax.:+49 8821 798791> >>> mail: schmid@zunterer.com> >>> http://www.zunterer.com> -------------------------- ----> > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 15:59:54 -0400> From: "bmaster flex" <breache s@gmail.com>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]acetylene la mp> Message-ID: <19360df00709031259u41fe8a87idd077bf2c1515762@mail.gmail.co m>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Cont ent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 4> > Anyone an "exp ert" on acetylene lamps? Is that to old for the list? I> recently aquired a n NOS Acetylene bicycle lamp in the box w/ all the> instructions and litera ture but cant find anything on this lamp. The closest> thing to a date is a n 1897 patent. Anyone care to help or point me in the> right direction?> > thanks> Barry Scott> Brooklyn, NY> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MI ME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/h tml> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:10:26 +0200> From: "kim klakow" <Akimbo71@gmx.net>> To: Hilary Stone <hilary.sto ne@blueyonder.co.uk>> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Cart on text question> Message-ID: <20070903201026.67590@gmx.net>> In-Reply-To: <46DC54ED.8050503@blueyonder.co.uk>> References: <368844953@web.de> <46DC54 ED.8050503@blueyonder.co.uk>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859 -1"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit> Precedence: list> Message: 5> > While reading up on Carlton on the CR site I stumbled across this sentence:> > > Engaged on this work was former B.A.O.R. military polic eman, Gordon Knowles, a Clowne Wheeler with some fine "25s" to his credit. <> > What is a fine 25?> > thnkx,> kim> -- > Kim Klakow> > Diplom Grafik De signer> Akimbo71@gmx.net> +49172-1786481> Berlin - Germany> > Der GMX Smart Surfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal für Modem u nd ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer> ---------------------------- --> > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:13:00 -0400> From: "Ken Sanford" <kanford@co mcast.net>> To: "bmaster flex" <breaches@gmail.com>,> <classicrendezvous@bi kelist.org>> Subject: Re: [CR]acetylene lamp> Message-ID: <000e01c7ee66$d3a c5570$6501a8c0@D5FSLZ21>> References: <19360df00709031259u41fe8a87idd077bf2 c1515762@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset ="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfe r-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 6> > Barry> > I think I qualif y as a quasi expert on these from my caving days.> > Patent date prob does not mean much as they were all based on patents of > that era. Is there a b rand name? or better, could you send me a pict > off-list.> > regards> Ken Sanford> Kensington, MD> > NSS 9811> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bmaster flex" <breaches@gmail.com>> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 3:59 PM> Subject: [CR]acetylene lamp> > > > Anyone an "expert" on acetylene lamps? Is that to old for the list? I> > recently aquired an NOS Acetylene bicycle lamp in the box w/ all the> > in structions and literature but cant find anything on this lamp. The > > clos est> > thing to a date is an 1897 patent. Anyone care to help or point me i n the> > right direction?> >> > thanks> > Barry Scott> > Brooklyn, NY> >> >

Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.o rg> Subject: [CR]eBay: Sheldon Brown's 23" E.G.Bates Frameset> Message-ID: <p06240812c30235a1c21d@[10.0.1.41]>> In-Reply-To: <32185221.1188789329094.J avaMail.root@fed1wml15.mgt.cox.net>> References: <32185221.1188789329094.Ja vaMail.root@fed1wml15.mgt.cox.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us -ascii" ; format="flowed"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Message: 13> > http://ebay.com/<blah> or:> > http://tinyurl.com/yt4rwh> > Hope it finds a good home!> > Sheldon " ASC" Brown> -- > Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts> Phone 617-244- 9772 FAX 617-244-1041> http://harriscyclery.com> Hard-to-find parts shipped
   Worldwide> http://captainbike.com> Useful articles about bicycles and cycl ing> http://sheldonbrown.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ---------------------------> > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 15:16:01 -0700> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>> To: CR RENDEZVOUS <classicrende zvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: Re: [CR]eBay: Sheldon Brown's 23" E.G.Bates F rameset> Message-ID: <3F549202-A9D5-47FD-9E99-2BDCA476C216@earthlink.net>> In-Reply-To: <p06240812c30235a1c21d@[10.0.1.41]>> References: <32185221.118 8789329094.JavaMail.root@fed1wml15.mgt.cox.net>> <p06240812c30235a1c21d@[10 .0.1.41]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; forma t=flowed> MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2)> Content-Tra nsfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 14> > Well that was quick. .. seven hits on the auction counter and it is g- > o-n-e !> > Looked like a beauty and the twin plate fork crown is to die for. . .> > Chuck Schmidt>
   South Pasadena, CA USA> > > On Sep 3, 2007, at 3:08 PM, Sheldon Brown wrot e:> > > http://ebay.com/<blah>
>> > or:> >> > http://tinyurl.com/yt4rwh> >> > Hope it finds a good home!>
>> > Sheldon "ASC" Brown> ------------------------------> > Date: Mon, 3 Se p 2007 18:37:42 EDT> From: Rnitro1969@aol.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikeli st.org> Subject: [CR]new batch being cooked and taking orders> Message-ID: <bf2.1e89c7f7.340de6b6@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-AS CII"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list>
   Message: 15> > Greetings> > This is how all orders for campagnolo> nr/sr/g s re-production brake hoods > announcements will be handled from> now on.>
> i will post this very same subject heading > at regular intervals ( new b atch being cooked> and taking orders ).there will be no shipping > confirma tion.as anyone who has ever ordered > hoods knows all orders have been fill ed.if i> get behind please be patient as there will be> no notice. this is just a hobby.> > Thanks to all > > robbie fellows> lakewood,ca.> > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour> > > --- StripMime Report - - processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body --
   kept)> text/html> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 18:45:36 EDT> From: EdVintage63@aol.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelis t.org> Subject: [CR]Mark DiNucci-built Merz on Bike Forums (Ed Granger)> Me ssage-ID: <cdb.16a4ccc6.340de890@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charse t="US-ASCII"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precede nce: list> Message: 16> > Pics are here:> > _http://bikeforums.net/showthre ad.php?t=339945_ > (http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=339945) > > Bike is apparently mid-70's (which details seem to confirm), and in > beaut iful shape. Another under-appreciated American Master?> > Ed Granger> Lanca ster, PA> > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek o f the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/p lain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> ------------------------------> >
   Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:00:30 -0700> From: "Mark Ritz" <ritzmon@sbcglobal .net>> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: [CR]FS: Assorted Prod ucti ol'stuffi> Message-ID: <000801c7ee7e$3b4d4c40$0200a8c0@D4Q1RPB1>> Cont ent-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Trans fer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 17> > To help finance my tri p to Las Vegas for Interbike, I offer the following> items to the list prio r to putting them on eBay.> > > > 1. Campagnolo Record hubs 32/40, previous ly built-up in excellent> condition. "No Record" shells. Locknuts are dated
   63 and the set includes> correct skewers. Perfect for that British restora tion. $200.00> 2. Campagnolo Record rear derailleur, circa 1963. All origin al and in> amazing condition. Steel pulleys. $200.00> 3. Handlebar mount bo ttle cage, "V.W." brand, made in France.> Excellent condition, lightweight steel. $50.00> 4. Avocet left crank arm 175mm, good condition, some scratch es. $35> 5. Constrictor roller set. Made in England. Rough but usable> cond ition, rare in the US. $250.00> 6. Brooks B17 saddle, unknown date, but cam e off a bike from 1963.> Good condition leather and chrome, Brooks label is
   scratched up. $50.> 7. NIP Ale steel toeclips size small, missing hardware , $10> > > > Photos are available. All prices are somewhat negotiable, and shipping is> included CONUS.> > > > Cheers,> > Mark Ritz> > Wishing I could
   afford some of David White's collection in Arcata, CA> > http://www.kinetic-koffe e.com http://www.kinetic-koffee.com/ > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report
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