Re: [CR]Fragile light vintage bikes? Naahhh!

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From: "Richard Olson" <>
To: "Bianca Pratorius" <>
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Subject: Re: [CR]Fragile light vintage bikes? Naahhh!
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:50:40 -0800
Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:50:40 -0800

I think the disclaimers on modern parts have more to do with lawsuits and liability than reliability of the components. As an example, I yesterday received my modern but totally alloy dual pivot Campagnolo brake calipers. The instruction book was full of dire warnings concerning torque settings, etc. I quote, "A loose nut can cause the brake system to malfunction resulting in an accident, personal injury or death." I'm sure a "loose nut" on a Super Record caliper would create just as dire a situation. By the way, these calipers are not exactly light weight at 360 grams or so for the set.

Classic content: The calipers are going on my late '70s Guerciotti. Some might cringe at the thought, but I actually ride this bike on the street, in traffic, and although on topic Campy brakes where designed by Campagnolo to "regulate speed", sometimes I actually have to make a sudden stop! I have to laugh at some of the KOF frames featured at the NAHBS using 25 year old brake systems.

My 2 cents, Rick Olson Rhododendron, OR USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Bianca Pratorius<> To:<> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: [CR]Fragile light vintage bikes? Naahhh!

I don't think my bikes are the lightest of the light but more than one them weighs in at a touch over 20 lbs with the pedals, or over 19 lbs without - (the way modern bikes are quoted). I don't abuse these bikes but I am sure that many of them were ridden hard and put away wet in their past lives with other masters. Nothing of mine has ever failed catastrophically. I've worn out a derailleur or two, many chains and one sleazy Campy Copy seatpost slipped endlessly on me so I tossed it.

I've torn some seats and broken many spokes but the frames and parts for the most part hold up year after year.

If the modern stuff actually comes with disclaimers and warnings that they must be replaced periodically or treated with inordinate care such as lube type and exact torque settings, then in my opinion they are not going to go the distance. The Trek web site is filled with precautions

such as to warn owners of cf frames that the internal breaks maybe invisable and very dangerous. I have seen these invisable breaks turn into shattering messes first hand. I have also witnessed by way of the

classic rendezvous, a DeRosa frame bent into a frightening mess and recently massaged back into perfectly usable condition. That aint happening with cf and you know what? .... I won't be crying over the loss of these modern wonders either.

Garth Libre in Miami Florida USA

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