[CR]look what the cat dragged in!


Example: Framebuilders:Tony Beek
From: "eric renick" <edr_71@hotmail.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 05:09:10 +0000
Subject: [CR]look what the cat dragged in!

Hello, I just picked up these bikes and I have a lot of questions about the m, restoring them, and eventually selling them. I have been around classics for a long time so I know what I have with the colnago and the Merckx but I would love to get some more info on the Motta. The Motta came with a hodg e-podge of 72 campy NR but it really didn't seem to go together so I sold t hat stuff on ebay. The frames rear spacing is 126mm and the NR hub is 120mm ? The frame is stamped 59 but the Cinelli bars were 38cm ctc? The front der ailluer was a SR and the Cinelli stem looked late 80's. If you could let me know that you got the attatched pictures and any suggestions on how to get my questions awnsers it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, EDR -req uestorg> Subject: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 64, Issue 32> To: classicre ndezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 18:19:48 -0700> > Send Classic rendezvous mailing list submissions to> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> > T o subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://www.bikeli st.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous> or, via email, send a message wi th subject or body 'help' to> classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> classicrendezvous-owner@bikelis t.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specifi c> than 'Re: Contents of Classicrendezvous digest...'> > > CR> > Today's To pics:> > 1. Lou Tripician (Bianca Pratorius)> 2. Can't Take Any More (John Hurley)> 3. Re: Can't Take Any More (Campy Parts)> 4. Re: Can't Take Any Mo re> 5. Re: Can't Take Any More (Sadiq Gill)> 6. Ebay Outing - Regina, Rober gel, Campagnolo, and more> 7. Re: Raleigh Pros (KO Kevin)> 8. Raleigh bashi n' (George Albaugh)> 9. Re: Can't Take Any More (Paul Williams)> 10. Re: Ca n't Take Any More (Campy Parts)> 11. Fw: [CR]A fewTedbits for your classic esteemed steed (ternst)> 12. Raleigh Pros (Hansen, Thomas)> 13. Fw: [CR]A f ewTedbits for your classic esteemed steed (ternst)> > > ------------------- ---------------------------------------------------> > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 200 8 18:22:54 -0400> From: Bianca Pratorius <biankita@comcast.net>> To: classi crendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Lou Tripician> Message-ID: <18f7d9ca 005ccc8f6574edaf5ff516bd@comcast.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset= US-ASCII; format=flowed> MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624)
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 1> > I have k nown Lou for less than two years, and in that time he has grown > from a re sponsible and practical member of society to a lunatic fringe > character d estined to fritter away his fortune collecting interesting > bikes from the classic era. Although I welcome him to our group, I fear > for his sanity. By the way, his Benotto is a lovely all NR restored > item and his Gianni Motta is a spectacular all original fully > pantographed find that was purc hased and built up at a bargain basement > price. After another dozen or so of such deals he will no doubt be > ready for classic rendezvous anonymous meetings while his classic > Jaguar gathers dust in the garage.> > Garth L ibre in Miami Fl USA> > > Just joined the group and one of the first things encountered is some > back and forth in reguard to the Raleigh. My first r eal road bike. > Vintage 1979 Capri. A birthday present my wife gave me, on sale at the > local bike shop for $169.00. Back then, and up to not too lo ng ago, I > didn't really know much about what I was riding, only that I wa s > definitely not ridding a Jaguar in the bicycle world and that when I > went to the bike shop to get a flat fixed, I'd see the new bikes evolve > o ver the years. -steel, aluminum, carbon etc.> > But the Raleigh keep me goi ng; the after work relief from a high stress > job ('s). I didn't even know the make of the derailer or brakes. I did > find out that the frame was ma de in Taiwan, which was somewhat > disappointing, ( I thought that I was ri ding an 'English Racer'). But > what the hell, I wasn't going to flip the b ike over, with the place of > origin up, if I could help it. I rode that bi ke, God knows how many > thousands of miles, until my wife bought me a new Aluminum bike for > Christmas in '97'. (Caloi) Well, the Raleigh got moved to the garage, > to collect dust, while the Caloi had a space in the hallwa y. What > saved that Raliegh from the garage sale, or the giveaway was runn ing > into to a couple of riding buddies, that forgot more about bikes, tha n > I will ever know. Unlike myself who looked at the bike I was riding as
> not much more than an means to the end for keeping in shape, these guys > knew the details of what made a difference in your ride.> > One is a dedic ated mountain bike rider, who in between mishaps on the > trails, sometimes rides on the road, on his fixed gear Motobecane. The > other, an entrepren eur and historian of the road biking world. But > both, regard the steel fr ame as supreme. But I'm riding the new > affordable technology, an Aluminum bike! Time to resurrect the > Raleigh. -- To the shop for a tune up and ba ck on the road for a > change. Can't say that it rode better than the Caloi , but the ride was > different, easier, more comforting or perhaps I was ju st being > nostalgic for the years of past, riding the Raleigh.> > Well, a 1981 Benotto and a 1982 Gianni Motta later, I concur that > steel is the be st ride. The Raleigh lives on at my daughter's and her > husband's place in Charleston. I still ride it when I go for a visit. > No, its not the best ride now, but for the times when it was my only > ride, it served me well. It hard to put an ebay price on that.> > Lou Tripician> Biscayne Park, Flor ida> > > ------------------------------> > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:48:53 - 0500> From: 'John Hurley' <JHurley@jdabrams.com>> To: <classicrendezvous@bi kelist.org>> Subject: [CR]Can't Take Any More> Message-ID: <249DDD9704676C4 9AE6169AE3D2D9F4ECDB5B0@Exchange-SVR>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=' us-ascii'> MIME-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Message: 2> > Dear Friends,
> > This is it. My illusions are shattered. I've known all along it would> come to this. Even as a kid I vaguely sensed the first faint warning> signs of Quality Fatigue Syndrome. What started with the simple joy of> bicyclin g soon became a desire for a 'better bike'. How much money> would I need? A visit to the local bike shops revealed the answer:> 'just a little bit mor e'. After more washing dishes and bussing tables> and saving money, I had e nough to buy the Better-Quality Bicycle. I was> thrilled to have a bike tha t was so light, so well-made, and so fun to> ride.> > But as time passed, a nd I read more books and magazines on bicycling,> Quality Fatigue Syndrome really set in. It seemed no matter how good> your bike, no matter how well- suited to your purpose, there were always> better bikes out there, and beyo nd those, even better ones, and so on.> It is now abundantly clear that eve n the kindly souls on the CR list> find little to love in the 'production-r un' bikes that were the> high-water-mark classics of my youth. Really, it w as a shame so many> good sets of 531 tubing were wasted on such shoddy mass -produced> consumer goods.> > Well, I can't take any more. Quality Fatigue Syndrome and the> inevitable deep depression that accompanies it have final ly driven me> over the edge. Tonight I'm taking my PX-10 out in the drivewa y where I> can run over it several times with the pickup truck. Then I'm go ing to> end it all. I'm going to bid high on the most expensive Masi or Col nago> I can find on eBay, having first made sure to leave a loaded revolver on> my wife's nightstand. That ought to do it. Goodbye, cruel world.> > Jo

---> ------------------------------> > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 16:07:43 -070 0> From: 'Campy Parts' <campy.parts@gmail.com>> To: classicrendezvous@bikel ist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Can't Take Any More> Message-ID: <112a34fb0804071 607g3713a7bdkaf45f26f3664de92@mail.gmail.com>> In-Reply-To: <249DDD9704676C 49AE6169AE3D2D9F4ECDB5B0@Exchange-SVR>> References: <249DDD9704676C49AE6169 AE3D2D9F4ECDB5B0@Exchange-SVR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-885 9-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 3> > *> > Hi Don:> > Yes, and I have a full sized poster here show ing Hugh Porter riding a> Raleigh track bike and winning the 1960 World Cha mpionships in the 5000> meter pursuit. He was riding a maroon colored track
   bike labeled 'Raleigh',> not 'Carlton'. I would be able to send anyone a p hoto if they like, if> interested. Actually the poster is more like an adve rtisement and may not> actually be him in the actual race, but at least it shows him riding a> Raleigh.> > -Dee Gordon> > Los Angeles> > > -----Origin al Message-----> > > From:Donald Gillies> > > Carltons won world championsh ips in the 1950's, and 1970's at least.> > > In the early 1970's, all the b est Carlton riders were moved to the TI> > > Raleigh cycling team, with mor e funding, and that team became a> > > dominant team in the 1970's and earl y 1980's> > >> > > - Don Gillies> > > San Diego, CA, USA> > >> *> > > --- S tripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/pl ain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:09:50 -0400> From: cwstudio@aol.com> To: JHurley@ jdabrams.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Can't Take A ny More> Message-ID: <8CA671B9C368B7B-9A4-3155@webmail-nd19.sysops.aol.com>
> In-Reply-To: <249DDD9704676C49AE6169AE3D2D9F4ECDB5B0@Exchange-SVR>> Refer ences: <249DDD9704676C49AE6169AE3D2D9F4ECDB5B0@Exchange-SVR>> Content-Type:
   text/plain; charset='us-ascii'> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Enco ding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 4> > John,> > > > That's sad, and I' m sure that we all commiserate.> > > > > But will that be an Italian revolv er? Please, don't use some crappy mass-produced thing. Make it a nice one, with really great engraving, and fresh rounds. Maybe even a vintage piece, with NOS walnut grips.> > > > > I'll send your relatives my address. Maybe they'll feel sad enough to send me all your old bikes. After all, they're n ot really worth that much...> > > > > Yours in pain,> > Chris Wimpey> > San
   Diego, CA USA> > > -----Original Message-----> From: John Hurley <JHurley@ jdabrams.com>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 3: 48 pm> Subject: [CR]Can't Take Any More> > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > T his is it. My illusions are shattered. I've known all along it would> come to this. Even as a kid I vaguely sensed the first faint warning> signs of Q uality Fatigue Syndrome. What started with the simple joy of> bicycling soo n became a desire for a 'better bike'. How much money> would I need? A visi t to the local bike shops revealed the answer:> 'just a little bit more'. A fter more washing dishes and bussing tables> and saving money, I had enough
   to buy the Better-Quality Bicycle. I was> thrilled to have a bike that was
   so light, so well-made, and so fun to> ride.> > But as time passed, and I read more books and magazines on bicycling,> Quality Fatigue Syndrome reall y set in. It seemed no matter how good> your bike, no matter how well-suite d to your purpose, there were always> better bikes out there, and beyond th ose, even better ones, and so on.> It is now abundantly clear that even the
   kindly souls on the CR list> find little to love in the 'production-run' b ikes that were the> high-water-mark classics of my youth. Really, it was a shame so many> good sets of 531 tubing were wasted on such shoddy mass-prod uced> consumer goods.> > Well, I can't take any more. Quality Fatigue Syndr ome and the> inevitable deep depression that accompanies it have finally dr iven me> over the edge. Tonight I'm taking my PX-10 out in the driveway whe re I> can run over it several times with the pickup truck. Then I'm going t o> end it all. I'm going to bid high on the most expensive Masi or Colnago>
   I can find on eBay, having first made sure to leave a loaded revolver on> my wife's nightstand. That ought to do it. Goodbye, cruel world.> > John Hu