[CR]Super Mondia Special in 54c-t-c?

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From: "Daniel Gonzalez" <dannyg1@mail.com>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:11:21 +0800
Subject: [CR]Super Mondia Special in 54c-t-c?

Someone was looking for one of these over the last few days and this one looks a prime candidate to fill that request (provided that the size is right). In any evet, not mine, no affiliation. Just trying to help fill the request:

http://nashville.craigslist.org/bik/633835579.html

Danny Gonzalez Lenox Hill Manhattan Nyc, NY USA

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 64, Issue 22 John Howard's Raleigh Pro (Nor Meyer) 2. GUERCIOTTI, decal reproduction DONE!! (bruce thomson) 3. FS: alloy framed plastic Unicanitor (Doug Van Cleve) 4. Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 64, Issue 28 Brit bike bits well running dry? 5. period weigh-weenie project, continued.. (Charles Andrews) 6. Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 64, Issue 29 WHATS a Raleigh! 7. Re: Copper plated bicycles - polishing (Donald Gillies) 8. Re: John Howard's Raleigh Pro (accobra) 9. Re: Vintage bike video (accobra) 10. ebay outing: campagnolo headset - not what you think (Tom Dalton)

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:41:07 -0500 From: "Nor Meyer" To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR] Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 64, Issue 22 John Howard's Raleigh Pro Message-ID: <430e89320804070941qd14b6b1l3a9380a795de68bb@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1

Truth to tell, the Raleigh Pro you coveted 'cause John Howard rode one wasn't really a Raleigh Pro----it was an Eisentraut painted in Raleigh Team Pro colors. I was in Freewheeling Bike Shop in Austin, Tx when he came in one day looking for someone to re-spray his 'traut 'cause he was riding for Raleigh. Not an uncommon occurance. I have a mystery frame outfitted w Raleigh transfers, but sporting an Italian threaded b/b.

Nor Meyer in Mt. Vernon, IA

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:55:43 -0700 (PDT) From: bruce thomson To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]GUERCIOTTI, decal reproduction DONE!! Message-ID: <27471.54639.qm@web51601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Reply-To: rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com Message: 2

Greg Softley, of Australia ( eBay seller 'gts753') has just completed two long-lost sets of earlier Guerciotti decals. Thanks to all the listers who helped with the submission of photographs for the "World Flag" set. The other set is from the mid 1970s series. These will be a welcome addition to those of us who have looked and waited for the impossible to find originals to appear for sale. Go to eBay # 300212944640 and see the results. Bruce

Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204 (509) 747 4314 Masi3v4me@yahoo.com rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:02:15 -0700 From: "Doug Van Cleve" To: "Classic Rendezvous" Subject: [CR]FS: alloy framed plastic Unicanitor Message-ID: <954702dd0804071002s313d445bqd8bb276feba5b600@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3

Howdy folks.

I am selling the Unicanitor that I got a few weeks ago. At ~14cm wide, I don't even want to try it. I am still not sure what exactly it is, but I can tell you that it doesn't look to me like it ever had any cover or padding (no signs of glue anywhere). I was told it is a "pista", but Google didn't turn up anything useful and the CR Unicanitor page didn't have anything that seemed applicable either. In any case it is very light, no good way to weigh it but it feels like holding nothing. It is in excellent used condition with the exception of a pretty big but purely cosmetic scratch on the top right side. Here are a few pictures of it, from my iPhone so not great but I think they show what there is to see:

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I am not keeping the money for it, it is going to a framebuilder just getting back on his feet after a couple bad years (health wise and financially). $65 including postage or FedEx ground in the U.S. (my choice). Thanks for looking :^)

Doug Van Cleve Chandler, Arizona USA ------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:11:20 EDT From: Crumpy6204@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 64, Issue 28 Brit bike bits well running dry? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4

Check out Ebay item#290220883360 1950 Holdsworth Track bike 22 1/2 " CTC, TOOOOO Big for me, Looks near perfect, except toe clips? + WHAT ELSE? Have you all noticed that Hilarys items for sale these days are mostly OFF TOPIC. Could be,as I thought would happen some day the wells are running dry? The above track iron with the Buy it now price at 2-1 GBP and the shipping is quite high, BUT is it. Check out the starting prices on Alexander Vontutscheck, Fancy lugs. No lugs, Plain lugs No lugs sites, Peter Paines, Atryer etc. maybe time to HOLD onto your old Brit bits sitting in the boxes in your parts department.(IF profit is your ONLY goal) Happy Ebaying you all. Cheers John Crump OldnotforsaleYETBrit Parker. Co USA

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:23:26 -0700 From: "Charles Andrews" To: Subject: [CR]period weigh-weenie project, continued.. Message-ID: <006e01c898d4$172839a0$6401a8c0@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5

I would like to buy a pair (or more) of Campagnolo-style alloy crank bolts. Arnold Industries, or Omas, or similar, from the 70s or early 80s, or later, if nothing else materializes.

If you have a pair of these--any color considered--or more, to sell, please let me know.

Thanks much!

Charles Andrews Los Angeles

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:27:05 EDT From: Crumpy6204@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 64, Issue 29 WHATS a Raleigh! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6

I have been reading with interest the Raleigh build quality etc. In all the years that I rode and raced in Brit land I can not remember ANY mate that owned a Raleigh, OF COURSE Reg Harris was well know for his Raleigh track irons. Raleighs massed produced for the masses PROFIT the only concern. NOT the clubmans choice. I know this will bring lots of replys to the contrary, So lets hear it. YOUR opinions. this is what this CR list is for RIGHT! Cheers John Crump OldwishIhadaRaleighnowBrit, Parker, Co USA

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:30:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Gillies To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Copper plated bicycles - polishing Message-ID: <200804071730.m37HUhfP018855@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> Precedence: list Message: 7

I recently tried to polish up a washington dollar for my son with a copper polishing compound. This resulted in many, many scratches that were visible to the naked eye. The thing that makes copper shine is the smoothness of the plating, and NO scratches. So try out your polishing technique on a lincoln penny or a copper dollar before trying it on your bicycle. I was NOT using brasso, and I know brasso is available in Boston, at least.

If you happen to polish through the copper, it's conceivable that you could restore a small area with a brush plating set. I've had good luck with the sets from Caswell Plating :

http://www.caswellplating.com/kits/plugnplate.htm

Steve Maas also uses these kits with good results on his bikes :

http://www.nonlintec.com/bikepages/

I own a chrome plating set, and also a copper plating set, although I haven't used the latter (yet). And they are on sale today at reduced prices, so please check them out. Once you have bought the initial kit with a power supply, all you need is a plating wand and a bottle of plating solution to plate other types of metal.

- Don Gillies San Diego, CA

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:46:24 -0500 From: "accobra" To: Subject: Re: [CR] John Howard's Raleigh Pro Message-ID: <9CDCB777B49049BB83652E97A321BC8C@MarkPC> In-Reply-To: <430e89320804070941qd14b6b1l3a9380a795de68bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <430e89320804070941qd14b6b1l3a9380a795de68bb@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8

Nor, thanks for the insight. But no, you haven't burst my bubble. I raced back then too and it was common knowledge that some of the pros used bikes from other builders but with the rider's sponsor's decals attached. I sported Gitane clothing from my Gitane-sponsored team but I continued to race on a Masi Gran Criterium.

I imagine he had a stable of bikes in Raleigh Team colors, some were likely built by Raleigh, some may have been otherwise. My coach at the time knew John Howard quite well & trained with him when his career was just getting started. Maybe I can use that "in" sometime to contact John and get the skinny on what really happened.

Mark Winkelman Dallas, TX USA

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> Truth to tell, the Raleigh Pro you coveted 'cause John Howard rode one > wasn't really a Raleigh Pro----it was an Eisentraut painted in Raleigh Team > Pro colors. I was in Freewheeling Bike Shop in Austin, Tx when he came in > one day looking for someone to re-spray his 'traut 'cause he was riding for > Raleigh. Not an uncommon occurance. I have a mystery frame outfitted w > Raleigh transfers, but sporting an Italian threaded b/b. > > Nor Meyer in Mt. Vernon, IA > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Classicrendezvous mailing list > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org > http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature database 3007 (20080407) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > >

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:56:07 -0500 From: "accobra" To: Subject: Re: [CR]Vintage bike video Message-ID: <6A37B5747C36438AB0CA924C4C4ADFCE@MarkPC> In-Reply-To: <760649.36490.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <760649.36490.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9

"Is this the collection of a list member?"

Mark, are you nuts? No one on this list is going to own-up to that video. There are too many Raleighs in it. I think I even saw a Paramount. That poor sap doesn't know a good bike when he sees one.

Mark Winkelman Dallas, TX USA Home of Raleighs, Schwinns, & Masi's

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:39:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Dalton To: themaaslands@comcast.net, chasds@mindspring.com, Classic Rendezvous Subject: [CR]ebay outing: campagnolo headset - not what you think Message-ID: <82982.22771.qm@web55901.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 10

Steven Maasland wrote the message below. My comments follow.

Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 03:46:47 -0400 From: "Steven Maasland" To: Subject: [CR]ebay outing: campagnolo headset Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;charset="windows-1250" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13

Charles pointed out the following auction:

http://ebay.com/<blah>

and commented: “In nice shape, yes. But over 200 bucks?”

I believe that the successful bidder should take a close look at the fork crown race as it shows distinct signs of brinneling, which in turn generally means the lower cup will also be marked. The $200 plus price isn’t what gets me, as much as the fact that people don’t check out photos very well.

Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ, USA

Steven,

Your point is well taken, particularly because it is the crown race that seems to be the first piece to brinnel, making it the piece most sought after as a maintenance part, and therefore the piece that is least readily available. This particular example looks like it is just starting to wear, and the headset might go together and adjust to a reasonable standard, but it won't take much use for this thing to become a lot more worn. On the other hand, the seller may be happy with decent function and may plan to use the part on a bike that will see little or no use. What's really sketchy is that the lower race isn't even shown in any of the pics. If that one is shot, the value of this unit is sharply decreased.

BUT..... there is a bigger point that everyone seems to have missed. Look at the headest one more time. If you're a stickler for accurate restorations, this is a VERY SPECIAL Super Record headset indeed, and it is QUITE RARE (details below). This is the earliest SR headset version that I know of, and I can't recall ever seeing one on eBay, at least in this condtion. Say you have a 1974 SR-equipped bike and you need a new headset, and let's assume only the period correct SR headset in very good condtion or better will do. Well, if that's the case, I think two-twenty-four is not a bad deal, even if you add another sixty bucks to fund a replacement crown race (if you assume the lower race is okay). Consider that plain-vanilla SR headsets often sell for $100 or so in nice used condition, and for about $200 NOS.

Where I start to question things like this is when I consider whether all the bidders were even aware of this headset's special features. If all of the bidders think all SR headsets are alike, and they are simply willing to pay $224.50 for a slightly worn generic SR headset, then yes, this auction outcome is strange... and a little unfortunate, I think. I hope the winner is aware that the unit is special and that the part finds a home on that very limited range of bikes for which it is appropriate (i.e. SR equipped bikes from the first few years of SR production, when NR was still the bulk of Campy's production). These headsets are equivalent to the first version SR rear der, the 2-bolt SR post, and the long reach SR brake levers, but I think they were made for an even shorter period. Plus, Campy SR headsets wear pretty quickly under the best circumstances, wear out instantly when incorrectly installed, and are often subject to cosmetic damage by careless mechanics, so this headset is truly scarce in this condition.

Differences between this headset and later versions:

1) The locknut is shaped like a Record steel locknut. Later SR locknuts had their own unique shape, without the round undercut section below the hexagonal portion.

2) The spacer is an alloy version of the typical Record spacer. The elaborate spacer was added a few years after the intro of SR.

3) The little lines between the words stamped atop the locknut are seen on only the earliest SR headsets.

4) The very satiny finish of typical of early production.

My general sense is that the first two features are rare and were only seen in the first few years of production, the third feature is very early and very rare, and the satin finish was typical through the 70's but none-too-readily found at this point. Most clean or NOS SR headsets seen on eBay are late production mid-1980s examples with a much brighter finish.... and THOSE sell for big bucks.

Tom Dalton Bethlehem Pennsylvania USA

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