Hilary et al
Im supposed to talk to MR.Derosa today.The infos i ve provided in the description are based on what Cristiano told me.Mr.Maasland can confirm that i thought that the bike was a repainted one(but i might be wrong) since the day i got it(at least two months ago,if not more.Yes,the friend i talk about in the item 's description is Steven) When i saw the bikes,i was dubious about if these were actual 70s bikes,but again,my limited knowledge of teams and framebuilding,kept my mouth shut,as i knew that i was goin to ask more afterwards.My opinion is that these bikes have been used for a while by those pros and then passed on to other riders as they switched teams.Im also supposed to talk Moser but im waiting for a reply to an email first.
Stay tuned
Teo Brandi Firenze iTalia
Il giorno 28/apr/08, alle ore 13:44, Hilary Stone ha scritto:
> First I have to say I cannot a team in which both Moser and Gradi
> rode together. Gradi's professional career started in 1981
> according to the information I have found. Sammontana rode Benotto
> frames for 1981 and 1982; in 1983 and 1984 it appears that they
> rode De Rosa frames in precisely the same colours as this track
> bike. And Sammontana were sponsored by Bianchi in 1985 and 1986.
> The team manager remained the same from 1981 to 1986.
> That would also tie in better with the bike - this De Rosa has
> cast lugs which I believe came in on De Rosa frames around 1979/80.
> This colour scheme I have seen on road frames too several times (I
> had one for sale several years ago with the same scheme and
> transfers) and all these frames have been from the early/mid 1980s.
> This leaves us then with the problem that Francesco Moser was
> riding with other teams in 1983 (Gis Gelati) and 1984 (Gis Tuc Lac)
> both teams on Moser frames. It's quite possible that Moser rode De
> Rosa frames rebadged as Moser at this time though I think this not
> very likely as Moser's own frame building business had been up and
> running since about 1979. There is certainly good evidence that in
> the 1970s Moser rode De Rosa frames rebadged as Moser before he
> started his own business. Perhaps there was a Sammontana track team
> that Moser rode with - riders did sometimes have different sponsors
> for their track riding... Its also quite possible that the frame
> had been repainted later in the De Rosa Sammontana team colours.
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> Hilary Stone, Bristol, England
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> matteo brandi wrote:
>> Mr.Hollenberg et all
>> Is you opinion based on checkin old bicisports or an actual facts?
>> HAve you ever thought that this might be a repainted one?bikes
>> were passed on ,other pros and maybe amateurs,i wouldnt be
>> surprised if they got repainted.Ill call mr derosa today,as he
>> didnt reply my last email about those very details.BTW,on the
>> cover on on old bicisport,there is Moser with a MOSER branded bike
>> that has DE ROSA stamped seatstay caps.I also wonder,why MR.DE
>> ROSA would lie?HE told me that MOSER and GRADI rode with de rosa
>> in the 70s and ARGENTIN in the 80s.Also,the guy i got the bike
>> from,is the same guy(hes an ex-BIANCHI team manager)that i got a
>> reparto corse built bianchi from. I offered that bianchi to the
>> list a while ago,and that was eventually purchased by Ken
>> Denny.Stay tuned,hope to get more infos as soon as possible.
>> Matteo Brandi FIRENZE,ITALIA