Re: [CR]Moral quandary: my sister's new Raleigh Grand Sports


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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:54:49 -0700
From: "Don Williams" <donwilliamsjr@gmail.com>
To: "David Snyder" <dddd@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Moral quandary: my sister's new Raleigh Grand Sports
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Sorry bad sign off

Don Williams Woodinville Washington USA

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Don Williams <donwilliamsjr@gmail.com> wrote:
> HI David...
>
> In the shop I worked at we were required to inspect each bike as it
> came out of the box. I saw a few, not many, poorly built frames.
> We'd send them back. We didn't sell a baike if the frame was
> defective. I'm sure not all shops are equally carefull. I remember
> we had run of Follis bikes we had issues with... The bad ones got sent
> back. We got replacements and all was cool... I'll bet some where
> some time a U08 an A08 or even a PX10 or two went through the same
> thing... We carried Zeus... They were OK...
>
> I like English bikes... I like the handeling. I wouldn't be supprised
> if some were poorly made...
>
> I'll bet most if not all mass manufactured bikes had issues at one
> time or another...
>
> I admit I don't like plastic Simplex stuff... I just don't. I've got
> big fat feet and I break it off...
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:46 PM, David Snyder <dddd@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >
> > Your comments had me walking into the back room to look over my Grand
> > Sports.
> > Tubing is "butted tubes", not butted or 531 stays, and the brazing is
> > nothing short
> > of atrocious on mine.
> > There's a 3/4" long section of the headtube/downtube lug that has a visible
> > gap
> >
> > (missing brazing) extending down to the miter! That's a head tube breaking
> > off waiting to happen. Incredibly hasty construction.
> > The Zeus dropouts are so soft that I've bent the hanger while carefully
> > changing a rear tire! The wheels are UO-8-quality, but with poorly-welded
> > Nisi-Evian rims, and I've seen these singlewall alloy rims crack at the
> > weld.
> > The paint looks nice. The Simplex changers and shifters work well enough,
> > but again, are shared with the UO-8 for a reason. The Weinmann brakes are
> > good, as are the cranks, since I ditched the "chainring" guard and fitted a
> > normal,
> >
> > more symmetrical spindle.
> >
> > I think the cranks, the frame tubing, the paint and the saddle were the
> > features that got these bikes sold, it sure wasn't frame craftsmanship.
> >
> > It's a pretty low-end bike, all things considered. UO-8 frames were much
> > better brazed imo.
> >
> >
> >
> > David Snyder
> > Auburn, CA usa
> >
> >
> > Jerry Moos wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > I beg to differ. The Grand Sport(s) was double butted 531 throughout,
> > hardly what I would call "lower end". Granted, this may have been the least
> > expensive full 531 DB Raleigh of the time, but besides the frame it had
> > quality components, even including the Normandy Sport hubs, which were
> > relatively inexpensive, but still one piece alloy bodies with QR's. The
> > Grand Sport, like the Compertition and Super Tourer, were real bargains in
> > 531 DB bikes with good components.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John Wood <braxton72@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Great find Adam, she looks in great shape. Since this is a lower end,
> > bike
> > > > boom era bike of no historical significance, no problem in my book in
> > > > striping her down and building it up the way you want. And then of
> > course
> > > > make sure your sister rides the heck out of it. It ought to be a great
> > > > rider! If you have any pangs of guilt at all though, just toss the
> > original
> > > > parts in a box, label it, and store it away for possible later use. Have
> > > > fun!